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geddesmond2 said:
slowmo said:
geddesmond2 said:

I put my bias aside and looked at kinect from a consumer standpoint. As in I looked at kinect from a standpoint of a consumer(someone interested in buying it) and not somebody just knocking it because its a MS product. Do you understand know?

Secondly. Again I did not say I was putting my bias aside for this post. I said I put my bias aside to look at kinect to see if it would interest me. Thats just you twisting words. If I was shit stirring it would be very far fetched. I'm just stating things thats going on and why I think its happened.

Thirdly. Oh please do educate me about it.

Fourthly my point is your saying MS has exclusives and I'm say thats true but the next exclusive is Fall 2011 and the others could be years away because there unannounced or are still in early developments. You say your happy with the way MS is conducting buisness. I'm saying if that was Sony I'd be pissed. I don't have the patience to wait a year for another exclusive game. I'm a gamer mate. Knowing what games are coming is what keeps me gaming

And lastly I'm not getting emotional but it annoys me when people take what you say way out of context or twist your words to make themselfs look better which is what you've been doing


I've answered your other points twice I don't see much point in discussing them further.  Businesses have marketing budgets to be used.  Not all marketing money will be out of the Microsoft coffers.  I doubt the figure of 500 million is 10 fold their usual budget for a year especially when you consider how much they've spent on superbowl advertisements and branding none gaming items for sale in the past.

As for the bolded, there is at least two people in here that took your words and understood the meaning to be different to what you claim you intended.  In my opinion that makes you as the writer to blame not the reader.  I don't see what else there is to discuss as my opinion hasn't changed really and obviously yours neither. 

Well its funny how Shadowblind who was the first person to reply to the message knew exactly what I was saying. If I meant something differant like what yous said I meant then I'd be having this conversation with Shadowblind and not yous.


No he didn't "know exactly what" you was saying, it seems you have reading comprehension issues as well as writing problems.  Try reading his post again.  Saying you having a opinion of your own is fine does not translate to what you wrote being remotely balanced or unbiased.  Keep digging, I've given you the easy way out but you want to keep shooting yourself in the foot.



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kibebr said:

I think Microsoft is RIGHT!!!!

Take a look at the past:  Introduced a marketing video about Knectic 3 years before it launch, just to get attention of the market and keep some momentum...

Knectic got everybody attentions, and deserve it, it´s really innovative.

What´s happening now: people start to think and put things together, understand Knectic limitations, etc..etc.. so the hype must be secure at least until cristhmas...

I believe knectic 1.0 is very limited to some type of movements, so, you will handle many games with same gestures, LOL..

go Microsft, keep rich and growing, you brought LIVE and gamers got better online services, now you bring Knectic and make toher companies MOVE. :)

MS is doing great job innovating on gamming, I respect a lot that!


I felt like I was reading MS PR when I read this post...



Reasonable said:
bobbert said:
Reasonable said:

Basically I don't agree with the whole policy of review embargos.  Be it films, games, or whatever.  It simply defeats the whole purpose of reviews and giving the consumer visibility to information on what they are considering purchasing.

 

OP said:

The gaming press complains about not being sent review copies...

 


They are NOT preventing anyone from reviewing it. They just have not sent out the finished product yet, just like Gran Turismo 5 has not been sent out yet. The product is still in testing and NOT finished yet. If someone really wanted to review a game, they can drive to Macy's and test it out for an hour. How are people complaining about how the kinect sucks in every other thread if there hasn't been a review yet? It's just the reviews have been on test demos. If they sent every game reviewer a kinect right now, they would still be getting a test version of the software. People are blowing this way out of proportion.

I agree, movies can be reviewed a couple weeks ahead of time because they should have finished editing the movie by then. The problem is, instead of finishing the product and then announcing a release date, they finished the hardware, and announced a release date and are producing them to be shipped right now. The software that drives it is continually being upgraded and I'm sure once it's in a near-final state it will be sent to reviewers. Even Oprah's audience was told that it would be shipped to them by November 4. The software demos everyone is using is showing off a single game that has been finalized. Not a full xbox dashboard and 17 games.

Sorry, that doesn't cut it for me.

A review of hardware like Kinect is a review where the reviewer has the hardware and can test it in various scenarios, not in some mall that's been set up by the supplier.  That's a review.  Not the reviewer queing to try it at Macy's.

Two, while I know MS are continuing to work on Kinect with one month to go the hardware for launch has to be set.  Otherwise they are not behaving sensibly and risk releasing something buggy.

I don't get any need to hide Kinect though as it's been tested lots anyway and clearly the basic tech seems to work.

As for the games, that's where they seem to be playing coy and the main focus for me.  Again, unless they are risking releasing buggy titles, most games should be locked in now this close to launch, or very, very close to it.  In short, unless they are rushing the games to market - which I wouldn't support for other reasons - then there is no way they shouldn't be able to get reviewers copies of the games.

I actually don't think MS is looking to do much except avoid some low scores for the games in the same manner that some Move titles got, at least in the sense they won't be available at launch, but I don't like that and it simply destroys the whole notion of a valuable review.

The bottom line is they do seem to be tawdry in gettings games into reviewers hands (and by extension slow to get them the hardware, too).

Apple didn't send any ipads out before the launch date despite being ridiculed in a lot of the tech press and that hasn't made a dent in their sales figures. I suspect MS just don't give a toss about what the gaming press have to say seeing as they are going for the people who would never read a gaming website or magazine anyway. If they were so scared of bad reviews they wouldn't have set up public tryouts all over the globe.



Snesboy said:
kibebr said:

I think Microsoft is RIGHT!!!!

Take a look at the past:  Introduced a marketing video about Knectic 3 years before it launch, just to get attention of the market and keep some momentum...

Knectic got everybody attentions, and deserve it, it´s really innovative.

What´s happening now: people start to think and put things together, understand Knectic limitations, etc..etc.. so the hype must be secure at least until cristhmas...

I believe knectic 1.0 is very limited to some type of movements, so, you will handle many games with same gestures, LOL..

go Microsft, keep rich and growing, you brought LIVE and gamers got better online services, now you bring Knectic and make toher companies MOVE. :)

MS is doing great job innovating on gamming, I respect a lot that!


I felt like I was reading MS PR when I read this post...


Except that he keeps spelling Kinect wrong, and he says that Kinect is very limited. I bet you think anything positive about Kinect is PR.



Nomad Blue said:
kowenicki said:

 "first kinect review"    SEARCH

About 19,500,000 results (0.11 seconds)

FYI, you need to put your search term in inverted commas in Google if you want it to pick up that term the way you typed it, otherwise it'll search for anything containing any of those words, with or without the other words.  There's a massive difference otherwise; search with inverted commas, 4 results; search without inverted commas 19.9M results.

With commas? Can you show how exactly?

I use the plus sign when serching Gogle. Like this:

(plus)first (plus)kinect (plus)review

Well VGC doesn't support the plus sign so that didn't look like I meant.



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Dang ... some of you are so threatened, putting all this energy and channeling your hate and fears onto poor old Kinect! You do understand it's worthless right? It'll sell what it sells and kidding yourself isn't going to make it go away.



 

slowmo said:
geddesmond2 said:
slowmo said:
geddesmond2 said:

I put my bias aside and looked at kinect from a consumer standpoint. As in I looked at kinect from a standpoint of a consumer(someone interested in buying it) and not somebody just knocking it because its a MS product. Do you understand know?

Secondly. Again I did not say I was putting my bias aside for this post. I said I put my bias aside to look at kinect to see if it would interest me. Thats just you twisting words. If I was shit stirring it would be very far fetched. I'm just stating things thats going on and why I think its happened.

Thirdly. Oh please do educate me about it.

Fourthly my point is your saying MS has exclusives and I'm say thats true but the next exclusive is Fall 2011 and the others could be years away because there unannounced or are still in early developments. You say your happy with the way MS is conducting buisness. I'm saying if that was Sony I'd be pissed. I don't have the patience to wait a year for another exclusive game. I'm a gamer mate. Knowing what games are coming is what keeps me gaming

And lastly I'm not getting emotional but it annoys me when people take what you say way out of context or twist your words to make themselfs look better which is what you've been doing


I've answered your other points twice I don't see much point in discussing them further.  Businesses have marketing budgets to be used.  Not all marketing money will be out of the Microsoft coffers.  I doubt the figure of 500 million is 10 fold their usual budget for a year especially when you consider how much they've spent on superbowl advertisements and branding none gaming items for sale in the past.

As for the bolded, there is at least two people in here that took your words and understood the meaning to be different to what you claim you intended.  In my opinion that makes you as the writer to blame not the reader.  I don't see what else there is to discuss as my opinion hasn't changed really and obviously yours neither. 

Well its funny how Shadowblind who was the first person to reply to the message knew exactly what I was saying. If I meant something differant like what yous said I meant then I'd be having this conversation with Shadowblind and not yous.


No he didn't "know exactly what" you was saying, it seems you have reading comprehension issues as well as writing problems.  Try reading his post again.  Saying you having a opinion of your own is fine does not translate to what you wrote being remotely balanced or unbiased.  Keep digging, I've given you the easy way out but you want to keep shooting yourself in the foot.

Ah I couldn't give a shit what you think. Have fun playing kinect thats all I can say LMAO. At least I know what kind of gamer you are. Oh and by the way., Kinectimals is so good, such a manly game, pet tigers for the win and Milo, greatest game ever. I can't wait for that game to come out I'll finally have a real friend to play with LMAO. Now thats talking from a bias standpoint. Mybe you'll understand a bit better now.



geddesmond2 said:

Ah I couldn't give a shit what you think. Have fun playing kinect thats all I can say LMAO. At least I know what kind of gamer you are. Oh and by the way., Kinectimals is so good, such a manly game, pet tigers for the win and Milo, greatest game ever. I can't wait for that game to come out I'll finally have a real friend to play with LMAO. Now thats talking from a bias standpoint. Mybe you'll understand a bit better now.


You have serious restraint problems, can't you conduct yourself in a more mature manner and control your temper?



 

Seece said:
geddesmond2 said:

Ah I couldn't give a shit what you think. Have fun playing kinect thats all I can say LMAO. At least I know what kind of gamer you are. Oh and by the way., Kinectimals is so good, such a manly game, pet tigers for the win and Milo, greatest game ever. I can't wait for that game to come out I'll finally have a real friend to play with LMAO. Now thats talking from a bias standpoint. Mybe you'll understand a bit better now.


You have serious restraint problems, can't you conduct yourself in a more mature manner and control your temper?

You do know that post was only to show what me being bias is like right?



geddesmond2 said:
Seece said:
geddesmond2 said:

Ah I couldn't give a shit what you think. Have fun playing kinect thats all I can say LMAO. At least I know what kind of gamer you are. Oh and by the way., Kinectimals is so good, such a manly game, pet tigers for the win and Milo, greatest game ever. I can't wait for that game to come out I'll finally have a real friend to play with LMAO. Now thats talking from a bias standpoint. Mybe you'll understand a bit better now.


You have serious restraint problems, can't you conduct yourself in a more mature manner and control your temper?

You do know that post was only to show what me being bias is like right?

It looks and sounds just like the majority of your posts, so no not really ..