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Gran Turismo 5 will fail to sell...

Best Selling Gran Turismo 939 37.95%
 
2nd Best Selling Gran Turismo 494 19.97%
 
3rd Best Selling Gran Turismo 389 15.72%
 
4th Best Selling Gran Turismo 116 4.69%
 
The Worst Selling Gran Turismo 536 21.67%
 
Total:2,474

A simple question for people from EEMA and NA:

Where is the marketing?

How can Sony push this game for new gamers and casual consumers???

I see nothing anywhere out the "gamespheare".

Only I see is a bunch of old gamers thinking tue world stopped 5 years ago, when the firsts GT5 pics were shown and racing games where at top.

Its the same thing Nintendo releasing a new Donkey Kong or Golden Eye and we have they topping Halo and CoD games... oups... they already did it :) 



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Michael-5 said:

Sorry Blue, but it seems the general concesus of the educated members of VGChartz all think in a range of 9-11 million, where 8-12 million is also possible. According to all the evidence I've seen on this and other threads, 15 million seems just as unlikely as 6 million.

9-11 million sales on the PS3 platform is successful. It shows despite the smaller instal base, and lack of home console superiority, the game will still sell typical GT numbers. Thats an acomplishment on its own. Sure Mario Kart now has the racing game crown, but GT5 will always hold the Simulation crown.

So is it failing to sell? It will almost definatly not be the best selling GT game. However anything near 10 million is nothing to cry about.

I'm going to just stop with this thread. Just skimming though the last 10-15 pages everyone agree's 9-11 million. The bulk ofthe posts are just one or two trolls just trying to force their opinions, and others trying to talk some sence into them. :P

1 week to go.

To bad these educated members were always blind as a bat when it came to GT and still are.  A while back 2million first week was crazy and 10mLT sales were unthinkable.   Now its the norm funny how that is.  And after they see its first week and first months sales they will once agian increase their "predictions" nothign new on here.

Excpet you and all of them posted NO evidence at all.

GT already has sold 14.7m before, its never been anywhere close to 6m.   I have reality showing us GT can do such a number casue IT already HAS.  You have nothing at all.

GT3 is cold had proof of GTs sales capability, theres not a shread of proof or evidence anywhere that shows 6m only is even remotly possible. 

Reality > opinions.



Blue3 said:
Michael-5 said:

Sorry Blue, but it seems the general concesus of the educated members of VGChartz all think in a range of 9-11 million, where 8-12 million is also possible. According to all the evidence I've seen on this and other threads, 15 million seems just as unlikely as 6 million.

9-11 million sales on the PS3 platform is successful. It shows despite the smaller instal base, and lack of home console superiority, the game will still sell typical GT numbers. Thats an acomplishment on its own. Sure Mario Kart now has the racing game crown, but GT5 will always hold the Simulation crown.

So is it failing to sell? It will almost definatly not be the best selling GT game. However anything near 10 million is nothing to cry about.

I'm going to just stop with this thread. Just skimming though the last 10-15 pages everyone agree's 9-11 million. The bulk ofthe posts are just one or two trolls just trying to force their opinions, and others trying to talk some sence into them. :P

1 week to go.

To bad these educated members were always blind as a bat when it came to GT and still are.  A while back 2million first week was crazy and 10mLT sales were unthinkable.   Now its the norm funny how that is.  And after they see its first week and first months sales they will once agian increase their "predictions" nothign new on here.

Excpet you and all of them posted NO evidence at all.

GT already has sold 14.7m before, its never been anywhere close to 6m.   I have reality showing us GT can do such a number casue IT already HAS.  You have nothing at all.

GT3 is cold had proof of GTs sales capability, theres not a shread of proof or evidence anywhere that shows 6m only is even remotly possible. 

Reality > opinions.


most people use the " playstation isnt what it used to be" excuse these days. even after seeing games like mgs4 and gow3 outsell their predecessor's. GT5 could just as easily be the best selling GT game.



CGI-Quality said:
Ginyu said:
Blue3 said:
Hyruken said:

So basically 41% of this website think it will sell almost 15m units?

I think this thread will be resurected many times over the coming years to show how high expectation for the game was.

If it get's beyond 8m i will be amazed let alone nearly double that!

Yes it will be resurected, to show how many of you have little understanding of this franchise. 

yahh 8m is amazing, for a game whos demo sold 5 million rofl.

Its not a demo, i like how years ago people would say "But GT5P is only a demo" and all the fans would whine about it being much more than just a demo.

But now  its all "GT5P sold 5 million and its only a demo", as if to make the series appear more popular than it actually is, no it isnt a demo, just like Halo 3 ODST is not just an expansion pack. What you download off of the PSN store is a demo GT5P was not a demo.

Both ODST and GT5:P aren't complete games. In GT5:P's case, it's called a Prologue to indicate that it isn't the full game. Had it been, it would be sitting on higher numbers.

ODST isn't a full game either. It really isn't much more than an expansion pack that comes with Halo 3's multiplayer (and all the added maps).

If both were full games, they would have sold like full games.

Very unique indeed. I have my predictions, I am sticking to them regardless of any spin from individuals who have anything more than a minor passing of pride invested in them becoming true. It ain't like I am losing money or parts of my brain. I can do that by myself.

2.3-2.5 million week 1 is what you have put forth and many are following. What if the numbers come in at 2.2m, 2.1m, 1.9m, or 1.5m? How will you react?

Furthermore, if my prediction is ludicrous then why do others feel the need to respond to it? If the Prologue sales were any indicator, then shouldn't worries have already been assuaged to the point where others don't feel the need to respond to my prediction? Do I sense a tad bit of doubt that if GT5 doesn't reach 10 million in 6 months time, then others will feel some sort of loss?

Personally, I could care less what anyone on this board thinks of me based on my predictions. I will low-ball games and high-ball games because I want to knowing full well the reaction and ensuing fun that it will draw from diehard fans of the particular game. Conversations like this for me are fun because I don't take it seriously, while others have so much invested in it. We don't have money or our real names attached to the forums or predictions. It is not like our employers will think less of us or punish us for not accurately predicting a game. Henceforth, it is a fun back-and-forth.

Unique indeed.



Blue3 said:
Michael-5 said:

Sorry Blue, but it seems the general concesus of the educated members of VGChartz all think in a range of 9-11 million, where 8-12 million is also possible. According to all the evidence I've seen on this and other threads, 15 million seems just as unlikely as 6 million.

9-11 million sales on the PS3 platform is successful. It shows despite the smaller instal base, and lack of home console superiority, the game will still sell typical GT numbers. Thats an acomplishment on its own. Sure Mario Kart now has the racing game crown, but GT5 will always hold the Simulation crown.

So is it failing to sell? It will almost definatly not be the best selling GT game. However anything near 10 million is nothing to cry about.

I'm going to just stop with this thread. Just skimming though the last 10-15 pages everyone agree's 9-11 million. The bulk ofthe posts are just one or two trolls just trying to force their opinions, and others trying to talk some sence into them. :P

1 week to go.

To bad these educated members were always blind as a bat when it came to GT and still are.  A while back 2million first week was crazy and 10mLT sales were unthinkable.   Now its the norm funny how that is.  And after they see its first week and first months sales they will once agian increase their "predictions" nothign new on here.

Excpet you and all of them posted NO evidence at all.

GT already has sold 14.7m before, its never been anywhere close to 6m.   I have reality showing us GT can do such a number casue IT already HAS.  You have nothing at all.

GT3 is cold had proof of GTs sales capability, theres not a shread of proof or evidence anywhere that shows 6m only is even remotly possible. 

Reality > opinions.

Like I said, trolls trying to force their opinions.

If you have actually paid attention to most os the past threads, the bulk of people have always thought close to 10 million. Predictions haven't really changed. It's just you who are blind.

Reality > opinions

You need a reality check there buddy. GT3 sold well because of Americas bundling, GT5 will not be getting that same support. It might do as well as GT4 or GT3 in EMEAA, but that will only support the general view of 9-11 worldwide sales.

Also aren't GT5P and GT PSP sub 6 million? Anything is possible.. 6 million is just as ludicrous as 15 million, and I think the more educated people here see that.

I mean according to your logic, Super Mario Bros sold 40 million units, so why shouldn't we expect New Super Mario Bros Wii to get those figures? Metroid and Metroid Prime sold 2.73 and 2.83 million respectivly, so Metroid Prime 3 and Other M must match those figures. Final Fantasy VII sold close to 10 million, so FFXIII must match that. This is why your logic for GT5 selling as well as GT3 makes no sence, I hope you realize that.

Now stop bugging me.



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Killiana1a said:

Very unique indeed. I have my predictions, I am sticking to them regardless of any spin from individuals who have anything more than a minor passing of pride invested in them becoming true. It ain't like I am losing money or parts of my brain. I can do that by myself.

2.3-2.5 million week 1 is what you have put forth and many are following. What if the numbers come in at 2.2m, 2.1m, 1.9m, or 1.5m? How will you react?

Furthermore, if my prediction is ludicrous then why do others feel the need to respond to it? If the Prologue sales were any indicator, then shouldn't worries have already been assuaged to the point where others don't feel the need to respond to my prediction? Do I sense a tad bit of doubt that if GT5 doesn't reach 10 million in 6 months time, then others will feel some sort of loss?

Personally, I could care less what anyone on this board thinks of me based on my predictions. I will low-ball games and high-ball games because I want to knowing full well the reaction and ensuing fun that it will draw from diehard fans of the particular game. Conversations like this for me are fun because I don't take it seriously, while others have so much invested in it. We don't have money or our real names attached to the forums or predictions. It is not like our employers will think less of us or punish us for not accurately predicting a game. Henceforth, it is a fun back-and-forth.

Unique indeed.

What do you predict for lifetime sales?

My vote is 9.3 million, and like you, I'm sticking to it. It's going to take more then one or two loyal fans to change my mind.



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Ginyu said:
Blue3 said:
Ginyu said:

Sales aside, im interested in how the reviews will be for this. GT PSP's were mixed and from what ive heard GT4 wasnt all that good.


Well good  you are proving you know nothing about this franchise.  Does explains your posts.

NA reviewers were pmsing that online was cut just before release.  GT PSP is half a GT game.  

Or its a portable game instead? GTA LCS was less than half of GTA SA didnt top that getting good reviewers and sales did it.

Erm that doesnt really prove anything, GT PSP has a 74% score on metacritc, which is mixed or average reviews...you know like i said it had.

GT4's user reviews are a 8.3, its not too bad, but worse than the other 3.

GT PSP is a proper GT game for those who have played it. It just wasn't as well developed as the prior GT games. The physics are awesome, but most of the cars are over 5 years old, and Polyphony made a few poor design choices (limiting to 4 manufacturers of cars in stores at a time, no story or single player mode, just ranks based on track and difficulty).

I don't think GT5 will go the same way, GT PSP largly feels like a half finished product which was released to satisfy fans (like GT5P). You never know though, maybe GT5 has some other poor design choices that will give it a terrible review in the end and really hurt sales.

I don't think that will be the case though, and I still think GT5 will be fine. Maybe it won't do as well as GT1-4, but anything close to 10 is great.



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Michael-5 said:
Blue3 said:
Michael-5 said:

Sorry Blue, but it seems the general concesus of the educated members of VGChartz all think in a range of 9-11 million, where 8-12 million is also possible. According to all the evidence I've seen on this and other threads, 15 million seems just as unlikely as 6 million.

9-11 million sales on the PS3 platform is successful. It shows despite the smaller instal base, and lack of home console superiority, the game will still sell typical GT numbers. Thats an acomplishment on its own. Sure Mario Kart now has the racing game crown, but GT5 will always hold the Simulation crown.

So is it failing to sell? It will almost definatly not be the best selling GT game. However anything near 10 million is nothing to cry about.

I'm going to just stop with this thread. Just skimming though the last 10-15 pages everyone agree's 9-11 million. The bulk ofthe posts are just one or two trolls just trying to force their opinions, and others trying to talk some sence into them. :P

1 week to go.

To bad these educated members were always blind as a bat when it came to GT and still are.  A while back 2million first week was crazy and 10mLT sales were unthinkable.   Now its the norm funny how that is.  And after they see its first week and first months sales they will once agian increase their "predictions" nothign new on here.

Excpet you and all of them posted NO evidence at all.

GT already has sold 14.7m before, its never been anywhere close to 6m.   I have reality showing us GT can do such a number casue IT already HAS.  You have nothing at all.

GT3 is cold had proof of GTs sales capability, theres not a shread of proof or evidence anywhere that shows 6m only is even remotly possible. 

Reality > opinions.

Like I said, trolls trying to force their opinions.

If you have actually paid attention to most os the past threads, the bulk of people have always thought close to 10 million. Predictions haven't really changed. It's just you who are blind.

Reality > opinions

You need a reality check there buddy. GT3 sold well because of Americas bundling, GT5 will not be getting that same support. It might do as well as GT4 or GT3 in EMEAA, but that will only support the general view of 9-11 worldwide sales.

Also aren't GT5P and GT PSP sub 6 million? Anything is possible.. 6 million is just as ludicrous as 15 million, and I think the more educated people here see that.

I mean according to your logic, Super Mario Bros sold 40 million units, so why shouldn't we expect New Super Mario Bros Wii to get those figures? Metroid and Metroid Prime sold 2.73 and 2.83 million respectivly, so Metroid Prime 3 and Other M must match those figures. Final Fantasy VII sold close to 10 million, so FFXIII must match that. This is why your logic for GT5 selling as well as GT3 makes no sence, I hope you realize that.

Now stop bugging me.


Then stop replying to me with your ignorant rebuttals. 

GT5 wont be getting same support lol, and you know that how.  Ohh yahh you dont you just need your opinion as fact to back you prediction.  GT5p is a demo, if you can't comprehand that then please stop replaying to my posts.  Debating with you is like debating with a wall.  You have no ability to understad logic, but reality will teach you some soon enough. 



SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Blue3 said:
Michael-5 said:

Sorry Blue, but it seems the general concesus of the educated members of VGChartz all think in a range of 9-11 million, where 8-12 million is also possible. According to all the evidence I've seen on this and other threads, 15 million seems just as unlikely as 6 million.

9-11 million sales on the PS3 platform is successful. It shows despite the smaller instal base, and lack of home console superiority, the game will still sell typical GT numbers. Thats an acomplishment on its own. Sure Mario Kart now has the racing game crown, but GT5 will always hold the Simulation crown.

So is it failing to sell? It will almost definatly not be the best selling GT game. However anything near 10 million is nothing to cry about.

I'm going to just stop with this thread. Just skimming though the last 10-15 pages everyone agree's 9-11 million. The bulk ofthe posts are just one or two trolls just trying to force their opinions, and others trying to talk some sence into them. :P

1 week to go.

To bad these educated members were always blind as a bat when it came to GT and still are.  A while back 2million first week was crazy and 10mLT sales were unthinkable.   Now its the norm funny how that is.  And after they see its first week and first months sales they will once agian increase their "predictions" nothign new on here.

Excpet you and all of them posted NO evidence at all.

GT already has sold 14.7m before, its never been anywhere close to 6m.   I have reality showing us GT can do such a number casue IT already HAS.  You have nothing at all.

GT3 is cold had proof of GTs sales capability, theres not a shread of proof or evidence anywhere that shows 6m only is even remotly possible. 

Reality > opinions.


most people use the " playstation isnt what it used to be" excuse these days. even after seeing games like mgs4 and gow3 outsell their predecessor's. GT5 could just as easily be the best selling GT game.

MGS3's sales disappointed it sold 4 million down from 5.6 million according to this. MGS4 was bundled and it was one of the first big name games  on PS3 after GTAIV.