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CGI-Quality said:
Ginyu said:

I read through a load of these comments and i dont get people at all.

Frieza said he predicted 6-8 million copies i think thats a good prediction to be honest im thinking around 7 myself. People have been bashing him, someone who couldnt spell said he had a mental problem (get real) , calling him a troll etc, its babyish it really is.

Hes at least tried to back up alot of his points, he mentioned how MW2 is bigger than GT5, that should be obvious to anybody but then someone came out with GT5 is just as big as MW2, no it isnt not even remotley close.

This game will not sell 15 million copies, it wont, it definitley wont. GTAIV hasnt even done that yet. And if the game does end up selling 10 million copies, Friezas prediction will be alot closer to being right than 40 percent of users here.

As its been said GT3 was bundled in USA thats why it sold over 7 million there, over double what GT did, without any word of bundles for GT5 it most likely wont be selling over 3 million in USA, like GT4. 2 million in Japan isnt happening. And in Europe it will do well 4 maybe even 5 million.

This games got alot going against it, people are just fed up with the delays now that the games becoming a joke, i saw pictures for GT5 in a PS magasine in 2006. I go to college with out of gamers, and everybody was talking about GTA4, MW2 there was about 20 of us who went to the midnight opening for Black Ops.

But nobody is talking about GT5, most people have no idea its coming out. So for people to make predictions that its going to more than double GTA4s PS3 sales and MW2s sales by a considerable amount when the game hasnt had a fraction of the hype is silly.

I dont know how people can put down Friezas prediction of 6-8 million though because that has a far better chance of happening than over 15 million which is, well impossible.

 

This post has just as many problems as it's trying to point out. Far too many absolutes to be realistic.

- You say GT5 reaching 15 million is impossible. It's not impossible, it just isn't likely to happen, but it CAN happen.

- You use anecdotal evidence to point out how GT5's buzz isn't  on the same level as MW2 or GTAIV (which is probably true) but not because of what you said. To say most don't know it's coming out or nobody's talking about it is your view and not much more.

- Frieza's has shown a clear pattern. No, his prediction of 6-8 million isn't terrible (though it's quite low considering Prologue and the franchise's history), but he's in and out of GT5 threads stirring up trouble and obviously (looking at his current state on the site) it's gotten enough attention to warrant disciplinary action.

Finally, I notice how some posters (yourself now included) jump on the tiny few who predicted the game to sell 15 mill or more. What about the MANY other realistic predictions of 8/9/or 10 million? Why ignore those when they are the majority?

I'd also mention the oddity of someone named Ginyu defending someone named Freiza.

What, both being DBZ characters.... i'd call alt... except i'd like to think an alt would be smart enough to not make an alt from the same show.

 

I still say the 7 million for first shipment number is BS though.



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CGI-Quality said:
Ginyu said:
CGI-Quality said:
Ginyu said:

I read through a load of these comments and i dont get people at all.

Frieza said he predicted 6-8 million copies i think thats a good prediction to be honest im thinking around 7 myself. People have been bashing him, someone who couldnt spell said he had a mental problem (get real) , calling him a troll etc, its babyish it really is.

Hes at least tried to back up alot of his points, he mentioned how MW2 is bigger than GT5, that should be obvious to anybody but then someone came out with GT5 is just as big as MW2, no it isnt not even remotley close.

This game will not sell 15 million copies, it wont, it definitley wont. GTAIV hasnt even done that yet. And if the game does end up selling 10 million copies, Friezas prediction will be alot closer to being right than 40 percent of users here.

As its been said GT3 was bundled in USA thats why it sold over 7 million there, over double what GT did, without any word of bundles for GT5 it most likely wont be selling over 3 million in USA, like GT4. 2 million in Japan isnt happening. And in Europe it will do well 4 maybe even 5 million.

This games got alot going against it, people are just fed up with the delays now that the games becoming a joke, i saw pictures for GT5 in a PS magasine in 2006. I go to college with out of gamers, and everybody was talking about GTA4, MW2 there was about 20 of us who went to the midnight opening for Black Ops.

But nobody is talking about GT5, most people have no idea its coming out. So for people to make predictions that its going to more than double GTA4s PS3 sales and MW2s sales by a considerable amount when the game hasnt had a fraction of the hype is silly.

I dont know how people can put down Friezas prediction of 6-8 million though because that has a far better chance of happening than over 15 million which is, well impossible.

 

This post has just as many problems as it's trying to point out. Far too many absolutes to be realistic.

- You say GT5 reaching 15 million is impossible. It's not impossible, it just isn't likely to happen, but it CAN happen.

- You use anecdotal evidence to point out how GT5's buzz isn't  on the same level as MW2 or GTAIV (which is probably true) but not because of what you said. To say most don't know it's coming out or nobody's talking about it is your view and not much more.

- Frieza's has shown a clear pattern. No, his prediction of 6-8 million isn't terrible (though it's quite low considering Prologue and the franchise's history), but he's in and out of GT5 threads stirring up trouble and obviously (looking at his current state on the site) it's gotten enough attention to warrant disciplinary action.

Finally, I notice how some posters (yourself now included) jump on the tiny few who predicted the game to sell 15 mill or more. What about the MANY other realistic predictions of 8/9/or 10 million? Why ignore those when they are the majority?

- It is impossible if the game isnt bundled like GT4, IF its bundled even then its chances are very slim because even GT3 which was bundled big time did not hit 15 million and most, no PS3 game has come anywhere close to that kind of number.

Out of the thousands upon thousands of Playstation and Xbox games made only 1 of them has exceeded 15 million in sales (separattley) GTA San Andreas a game on a completely different level to GT5.

- There is no probably about it, you can not honestly tell me that GT5 has had as much hype as Grand Theft Auto 4 or Modern Warfare 2, because it would be a lie, the game is hyped yes, but it is nothing close to being like what a GTA or COD game is, or what Halo is in US. And alot dont know when its actually coming out, the release date was just recently announced. It was changed yet again the other day for Europe. With most games people know what day its going out months beforehand.

- I dont see how frieza was causing trouble, whereas most people were calling him a troll and an idiot he didnt really do anything like that, he said peoples predictions of over 15 million are silly, of which they really are but thats about it. 6-8 million is nothing to sniff at. Itd make it the 2nd of 3rd best selling PS3 game. PS3 software hasnt been as high as PS2's.

There were over 5 10 million sellers for PS2, the PS3 is its its 4 year and there hasnt been one. Modern Warfare 2 may not reach that number for a long time, Black Ops may not have the legs of MW2 either. Only 5 games have even topped 5 million so 8 million for GT5 would be pretty good.  

GT5 prologue sold 5 million but like frieza had said Halo 3 ODST is basically a expansion pack and thats sold about 6 million while Halo 3 itself sold less than double that amount. So why cant GT5 sell a little under double what GT5P did and sell 9 million?

- They arnt the majority look at the poll 41% think itll top 15 million, and it wont happen thats why im picking it out.

- No, the game was not delayed in Europe further, as clarified by Sony just yesterday.

- Polls prove nothing. You can vote in a poll and not post in the thread.

- Nobody said GT5 can't sell 9 million - again, many posters think that's what it will sell.

- Modern Warfare 2 will reach 10 million on PS3 by Spring time (although that's pretty irrelevant here).

- We're not going to argue further about Frieza because his circumstances speak for themselves.

- And we can "if" all day long. Many games wouldn't be where they are without bundles, so why should GT5 take heat for it?

Have to tell you, you're mostly arguing with opinion, as is everyone else. Your absolute outlook is no different than somebody who says GT5 will sell 15 million no matter what. Just two ends of the spectrum, but with the very same issue.


- Wasnt there a thread about it being pushed back from the 24th to 26th? oh well if it was refuted thats fine.

- Polls prove something obviously, there also quicker to look at than hundreds of posts here, but to be honest i doubt there can be many people who genuinley believe itll sell over 15 million.

- No saying MW2 will hit 10 million for a while either, itd need to sell another 1.1 million, i know its winter season but Black Ops just came out aswell, and it took the game 28 weeks to get from 7.7 million to 8.8 million so it wont be hitting 10 million till at least Summer 2011.

- Its obviously all opinion, doesnt mean some peoples are closer to reality than others, if one person predicted 2 million for Killzone 3 and another 6 million, it may be their opinion but ones definitley more likely than the other and my 7 million estimate is alot more realistic than 16 million.



Kasz216 said:

I still say the 7 million for first shipment number is BS though.

I woulnt given what some games have been selling in their first day lately add the fact WHEN GT5 is coming out.  All the stores in my area are balls out holidays.

Also a demo did 400k in march in one day In Europe alone on a 4 million user base. 



Kasz216 said:
CGI-Quality said:
Ginyu said:

I read through a load of these comments and i dont get people at all.

Frieza said he predicted 6-8 million copies i think thats a good prediction to be honest im thinking around 7 myself. People have been bashing him, someone who couldnt spell said he had a mental problem (get real) , calling him a troll etc, its babyish it really is.

Hes at least tried to back up alot of his points, he mentioned how MW2 is bigger than GT5, that should be obvious to anybody but then someone came out with GT5 is just as big as MW2, no it isnt not even remotley close.

This game will not sell 15 million copies, it wont, it definitley wont. GTAIV hasnt even done that yet. And if the game does end up selling 10 million copies, Friezas prediction will be alot closer to being right than 40 percent of users here.

As its been said GT3 was bundled in USA thats why it sold over 7 million there, over double what GT did, without any word of bundles for GT5 it most likely wont be selling over 3 million in USA, like GT4. 2 million in Japan isnt happening. And in Europe it will do well 4 maybe even 5 million.

This games got alot going against it, people are just fed up with the delays now that the games becoming a joke, i saw pictures for GT5 in a PS magasine in 2006. I go to college with out of gamers, and everybody was talking about GTA4, MW2 there was about 20 of us who went to the midnight opening for Black Ops.

But nobody is talking about GT5, most people have no idea its coming out. So for people to make predictions that its going to more than double GTA4s PS3 sales and MW2s sales by a considerable amount when the game hasnt had a fraction of the hype is silly.

I dont know how people can put down Friezas prediction of 6-8 million though because that has a far better chance of happening than over 15 million which is, well impossible.

 

This post has just as many problems as it's trying to point out. Far too many absolutes to be realistic.

- You say GT5 reaching 15 million is impossible. It's not impossible, it just isn't likely to happen, but it CAN happen.

- You use anecdotal evidence to point out how GT5's buzz isn't  on the same level as MW2 or GTAIV (which is probably true) but not because of what you said. To say most don't know it's coming out or nobody's talking about it is your view and not much more.

- Frieza's has shown a clear pattern. No, his prediction of 6-8 million isn't terrible (though it's quite low considering Prologue and the franchise's history), but he's in and out of GT5 threads stirring up trouble and obviously (looking at his current state on the site) it's gotten enough attention to warrant disciplinary action.

Finally, I notice how some posters (yourself now included) jump on the tiny few who predicted the game to sell 15 mill or more. What about the MANY other realistic predictions of 8/9/or 10 million? Why ignore those when they are the majority?

I'd also mention the oddity of someone named Ginyu defending someone named Freiza.

What, both being DBZ characters.... i'd call alt... except i'd like to think an alt would be smart enough to not make an alt from the same show.

 

I still say the 7 million for first shipment number is BS though.

Its not the Ginyu youre thinking, its a place in Japan.



Blue3 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

I still say the 7 million for first shipment number is BS though.

I woulnt given what some games have been selling in their first day lately add the fact WHEN GT5 is coming out.  All the stores in my area are balls out holidays.

Also a demo did 400k in march in one day In Europe alone on a 4 million user base. 

Have many games even the huge ones done 6 million on one platform day 1?  Cause that's the kind of numbers that would merit a 7 million shipment.

I like how everyone is calling prologue a demo now, when back when prologue was all there was any GTA fan would curse you out for calling it a demo.



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Kasz216 said:

I'd also mention the oddity of someone named Ginyu defending someone named Freiza.

What, both being DBZ characters.... i'd call alt... except i'd like to think an alt would be smart enough to not make an alt from the same show.

 

I still say the 7 million for first shipment number is BS though.


good catch!



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Kasz216 said:
Blue3 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

I still say the 7 million for first shipment number is BS though.

I woulnt given what some games have been selling in their first day lately add the fact WHEN GT5 is coming out.  All the stores in my area are balls out holidays.

Also a demo did 400k in march in one day In Europe alone on a 4 million user base. 

Have many games even the huge ones done 6 million on one platform day 1?  Cause that's the kind of numbers that would merit a 7 million shipment.

I like how everyone is calling prologue a demo now, when back when prologue was all there was any GTA fan would curse you out for calling it a demo.

Maybe the fact its the biggest shopping season of the year, thats what merits it.  They know they will sale it be in first day 5 days first week whatever.  Given they delayed all their other big games KZ2 LBP2, GT5 is their only huge holiday release.

Two way to see it, compared to most games yahh  GT5p is a real game.  Comapred to what GT5 will offer, Prologue is a demo.



hatmoza said:
Kasz216 said:

I'd also mention the oddity of someone named Ginyu defending someone named Freiza.

What, both being DBZ characters.... i'd call alt... except i'd like to think an alt would be smart enough to not make an alt from the same show.

 

I still say the 7 million for first shipment number is BS though.


good catch!


You only just realised that now? i was even hesistant to post because i thought people were gonna say i was Frieza what with Ginyu being from DBZ.

While my name is actually a place and not a character, if anyone thinks i am the other guy i wont hold it against them because id also think it was an alt and not believe that a DBZ characters name is really a place in Japan.



Blue3 said:
Kasz216 said:
Blue3 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

I still say the 7 million for first shipment number is BS though.

I woulnt given what some games have been selling in their first day lately add the fact WHEN GT5 is coming out.  All the stores in my area are balls out holidays.

Also a demo did 400k in march in one day In Europe alone on a 4 million user base. 

Have many games even the huge ones done 6 million on one platform day 1?  Cause that's the kind of numbers that would merit a 7 million shipment.

I like how everyone is calling prologue a demo now, when back when prologue was all there was any GTA fan would curse you out for calling it a demo.

Maybe the fact its the biggest shopping season of the year, thats what merits it.  They know they will sale it be in first day 5 days first week whatever.  Given they delayed all their other big games KZ2 LBP2, GT5 is their only huge holiday release.

Two way to see it, compared to most games yahh  GT5p is a real game.  Comapred to what GT5 will offer, Prologue is a demo.

So, the biggest shopping season of the year is going to cause 6 million copies of a game to be sold on one console... in one week.

When the biggest record currently is 5.6 over 4 systems?

Seems... very unlikly.



Blue3 said:
Kasz216 said:
Blue3 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

I still say the 7 million for first shipment number is BS though.

I woulnt given what some games have been selling in their first day lately add the fact WHEN GT5 is coming out.  All the stores in my area are balls out holidays.

Also a demo did 400k in march in one day In Europe alone on a 4 million user base. 

Have many games even the huge ones done 6 million on one platform day 1?  Cause that's the kind of numbers that would merit a 7 million shipment.

I like how everyone is calling prologue a demo now, when back when prologue was all there was any GTA fan would curse you out for calling it a demo.

Maybe the fact its the biggest shopping season of the year, thats what merits it.  They know they will sale it be in first day 5 days first week whatever.  Given they delayed all their other big games KZ2 LBP2, GT5 is their only huge holiday release.

Two way to see it, compared to most games yahh  GT5p is a real game.  Comapred to what GT5 will offer, Prologue is a demo.

Double post.