Seriously the demo was kinda boring,and your right on the whats new.

Handhelds aren't consoles or is the Ipod a console too?It can play games.

Pfahahha please Vanquish is godly. Castlevainia is still using fixed camera's in 2010.I wouldn't even call it a castlevania game

Nope handhelds are not consoles.

Taken directly from the VGC's home page (below the graph):

Millions of units sold worldwide, consoles and portables

Handhelds and Consoles and PCs are platforms.  Wii, PS3 and 360 are consoles.  Console used to refer to a music or vid. system that was large, bulky and usually sat on the floor.  I don't think many people would have adjusted their thinking to include a handheld game system in the concept 'console'.  Jmo.

I think most of the people in this thread are long-time gamers who have played fixed-camera slashers and platformers since they started making them.  For someone who prefers the right-stick = camera system more popular these days Castlevania would be an adjustment.  Not saying I'm special just that games like DMC, Dante, LOS etc. may appeal more to more experienced gamers.  I've played all the TR, AC, NG and PoP games to death but even the fixed-cam finishes to PoP 2005 and SW:TFU felt like a cop-out by the devs, almost a throwback to a style they were more comfortable with.  It's a chore to change to a different cam system just when the action heats up.  For me anyway.  

Enslaved demo was ok but the combat started to feel repetitive at about 20 mins.  I've been busting-up a lot of mechs lately though.  I'll buy it new at a reduced price but I want more than 6-7 hours for $60 these days.  Style was very Japanese, the PC felt almost sub-human and the nature vs. tech. meme has been done to the point of brainwashing.  I am One with Gaia already.  Lastly removing the ability to kill myself spectacularly by falling from a great height is actually a negative for me.  I'm different. 

I hope they both do well,  Just indicating why some gamers might not have bought them first week.   To those saying sales of BO or Reach would be a factor I think the release of Vegas, Gothic 4, Fable 3 and SW:TFU in the next 8 days would be at least as big.  I have a lot of respect for the online shootists but RPG and AA fans are the people buying Enslaved and Castlevania.  Or not. 

Castlevania deserves the flop. It's a trash rail "God of War" game with Werewolves and Goblins.. Legs? I doubt.

Enslaved is a good Game. I will buy and I don't care about its sales but it will be another flop.

Not from what I've been hearing.

Well answer this:  Is a hotdog a sandwich?

True story.

I'm very saddened by the sales of both games.

Enslaved means it's risky to go multiplatform. Ninja Theory will most likely go out of business after they've made Devil May Cry 5 for Capcom (I can't see that game be such a success that it'll save the studio).

Similar to Heavenly Swords Enslaved was probably a plus-$20 million project (and another $5-8 mill for mrketing) and would need to sell a good bit more than 1 million copies to break even. That's out of the question now.

Castlevania is an even bigger flop. It's a big game with a big budget, likely a $30 million plus marketing budget and would have need 1.5-2 million copies to break even. With the help from the bargain bin it could eventually crawl past 1 million but that's with less $ revenue per sold copy and far from expecations.

It's sad because I like what both games do. Enslaved tried to be somewhat innovative and Castlevania is that classic fairy tale that you just want to see succeed.

I'll most certainly pick up Castlevania from the bargain bin a few weeks after Christmas.