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Pavolink said:
Mr.Metralha said:

A simple HD upgrade would be pathetic comparing to what Nintendo might bring us next gen.


This.

Even Reggie has told us the same sentence. Just wait for the next Nintendo homeconsole and enjoy Wii. :D


Yeah but there still could have been a Wii HD or Wii 1.5 (whatever they want to call it) and then a full fledged Wii 2 for next gen. They could have advertised it as a re-design instead of a whole new console, like with the PS3 and 360 slim versions.



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raptors11 said:
Pavolink said:
Mr.Metralha said:

A simple HD upgrade would be pathetic comparing to what Nintendo might bring us next gen.


This.

Even Reggie has told us the same sentence. Just wait for the next Nintendo homeconsole and enjoy Wii. :D


Yeah but there still could have been a Wii HD or Wii 1.5 (whatever they want to call it) and then a full fledged Wii 2 for next gen. They could have advertised it as a re-design instead of a whole new console, like with the PS3 and 360 slim versions.


It would be great. Can happen if Nintendo wants a new model like DS Lite, but calling this WIi Fat. IMO

The only thing we can do now is wait.



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What some analysts/3rd parties fail to understand is that Wii 2 owners still won't make Resident Evil 7 a 10M seller.

SD/HD or even 640p games aren't what people purchased Wii for. They purchased it for new arcade experiences and an update of the old ones. Wii owners demand gameplay, not story or achievements.

Wii games that sell tens of millions are not 20-40hr long. Real games don't have a time limit. The fact that we measure games the same way we measure the time it takes to read a book shows that videogames have been turned on their head.

Can somebody tell me how many hours of gameplay Tetris has? Street Fighter? Pokemon? Mario Kart? FPS online multiplayer?

PC and the 640p twins have the home computer experience covered in spades, Wii is the only console that strives to do what consoles were created to do, ie THE ARCADES AT HOME. Playstory generation 'games' don't cut it for real gamers, gameplay is paramount.

Hey, what do I know? Pachter says an extra 100 lines of resolution will cure all Nintendo's ills.



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What is curious to me is not the downward arc of the Wii. It is the upward trend of the Xbox 360.  That system has been out a year longer than the Wii, but is selling more year-to-year.

I wonder how many people are buying second/replacement systems. In other words, what we don't know is how many people are existing customers and how many are new customers. And are a lot of people buying a second, different system?

Also, it is interesting in the attach rate stories which came out last month, the low Wii numbers got the headlines, but the Xbox and PS3 numbers were also in the 2s.

The economy in many areas of the world has been less than robust for the last couple of years.  That has the entire industry in a funk.

Finally, everyone yells at Nintendo when there are no games for the Wii. But third-parties have not supported Nintendo consoles well the last three generations ... so there is plenty of fault to go around. (Maybe that is why so many are going out of business).

As for the topic, a Wii HD won't do it. What I expect is 2011 to be the milk out year ... a February-March price drop to $150 with some more games that people want to buy. Then sometime in early 2012, the announcement of a new Nintendo console for that holiday season will come. Of course, none of us will never get to play it since the Mayan calendar shows the world will end that year.

 

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mike_intellivision said:

What is curious to me is not the downward arc of the Wii. It is the upward trend of the Xbox 360.  That system has been out a year longer than the Wii, but is selling more year-to-year.

I wonder how many people are buying second/replacement systems. In other words, what we don't know is how many people are existing customers and how many are new customers. And are a lot of people buying a second, different system?

Also, it is interesting in the attach rate stories which came out last month, the low Wii numbers got the headlines, but the Xbox and PS3 numbers were also in the 2s.

The economy in many areas of the world has been less than robust for the last couple of years.  That has the entire industry in a funk.

Finally, everyone yells at Nintendo when there are no games for the Wii. But third-parties have not supported Nintendo consoles well the last three generations ... so there is plenty of fault to go around. (Maybe that is why so many are going out of business).

As for the topic, a Wii HD won't do it. What I expect is 2011 to be the milk out year ... a February-March price drop to $150 with some more games that people want to buy. Then sometime in early 2012, the announcement of a new Nintendo console for that holiday season will come. Of course, none of us will never get to play it since the Mayan calendar shows the world will end that year.

 

Mike from Morgantown


Very funny indeed lol, your post was very serious until that sentence and then you finished it with your usual line. Hilarious :D



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Patcher is king. He was right about Nintendo needing a Wii-HD. No one can deny that the Wii is in a deep downward spiral. The next-gen Nintendo will be announced at E3.



Even a wii Hd won't do it. because it must be more powerfull than the current one to support the same HD output of the PS360... Will be likely a new system

Also even if there was a wii HD as powerfull as the PS360 it won't have more support from the 3rd party software as currently because they wil find a new excuse: the wiimote as not as much as button as the HD controller. so they can't port games as they cant use same control scheme.

One point also everybody forget is that even if the wii is down hill, it stills sells more this year than the other console. Thos bad year for the wii will be better than the best year for the other console.



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This is so cute. They guy tells the truth and people get butthurt.

He isn't doing his job to please fanboys. He does it for investors and guess what? The people who invest their money want to make money for their investments. Shocking, isn't it?



nordlead said:
leatherhat said:

Well, it is. An HD wii would have been a big upgrade for the system this year and it would have sold a lot.

An HD wii would be a whole new system. I know everyone (including pachter) thinks you can just slap in an HD capable graphics card, and sales will skyrocket but that is the same thing as making a Wii 2 that is backwards compatible only with the most meaningless update possible. (it would be like pulling a PS3 launch where it is a PS2 only HD)

But why just bring HD when the 3rd parties are going to ignore the 3m install base compared to the 40m install base of the X360 or PS3? There really is no reason to expect a HD wii to sell a lot as the game selection would be exactly the same only more shiny.

The next Nintendo system will be HD, that isn't a question. I wouldn't be shocked if Nintendo releases a console late 2011 or early 2012 only to leave MS & Sony in the dust with their last generation motion controls and sub HD graphics (1080p this generation is a joke). They'll either be forced to cling to "old" technology and hope to extend the generation or launch a new generation of consoles and try to play catchup again.

I would seriously lol hard if Nintendo released the first true HD console with full 1080p on every single game. None of that upscaled 576/720p nonsense...



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