Well, in one area.  I was reading a story about how New York and some other democratic strongholds were losing votes to Texas and Arizona.

It made me realize something and laugh that I hadn't thought of it before.

The government uses the US census to decide representation for the government and state funding and such.

However the US Census doesn't ask if the person is here legally.

Illegal aliens count like everbody else even though they're here illegally.

They do this because Illegal aliens use the roads and other services and also just for saftey reasons.  I mean, one of the first things you do is mention that the US census isn't connecetd to any other US department just so the people talk to you and aren't paranoid you are going to report them to INS or something if they aren't here legally.

The end result though is, the house of representatives is decided by population, rather then population that can vote.  It kidna reminds me of the old slavey 3/5ths compromise.

Really, all of our census stats I think count illegal aliens in our stats.  I wonder if it's the same in europeon countries and other such countries.

Illegal aliens are breaking the law. They need to go back to their country and enter the U.S. the legal way.

Well, I cannot falt someone for making a perilous journey north where they can be robbed, raped, die from heat exhaustion, or forcibly conscripted into a drug cartel on their way into what they hope and dream is a better future for themselves and their children.

The real culprit is not the "illegal aliens." US businesses who depend on their employment are the ones to blame. Don't blame Rosalita Gonzalez, blame her rich employer who employs her to housekeep for her. Don't blame Juan Rodriguez, blame Farmer McDonald with his "family farm" for employing illegal labor. Don't blame Rodrigo Cortez, blame the construction company he does dry wall work for hiring him instead of hiring a US citizen at a higher pay rate with workman's compensation and benefits.

We have scapegoated these poor people enough and bashed them too much. It is time for my fellow US citizens to take the blame in becoming dependent and flouting US employment laws.

Yeah, i was afraid people might not actually read the actual OP.

The title was too good to pass up though.

Yes, titles are very important in attracting even if you have to flame it up a bit or sensationalize it.

I will say that I disagree with the analogy to "illegal aliens," slaves and the 3/5ths compromise. Here is why:

First, the term "illegal alien" has a distinct meaning. Illegal has to do with them coming over here illegally by bypassing the legal immigration system. Alien means that these people are not of our culture, and like many first generation immigrants they will never fully assimilate, but their children will. "Illegal alien" is an offensive term to many, but it makes perfect sense if you know why they are "illegal" and why the word "alien" is used.

Second, the legal slave trade in the US ended well before the Civil War. Slavery was unique in the US unlike Haiti and other regions because slaves were fed and reproduced naturally. In places like Haiti, the French worked the slaves to death on sugar plantations and when one slave died, they imported another from Africa.

Third, due to the majority of "slaves" being born here by the Civil War era and the guilt that followed during Reconstruction, the 14th Amendment was designed specifically to give freed slaves US citizenship. Over time the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution has been interpreted to apply to all other races and ethnicities besides just the freed slaves it was created for.

Finally, the 3/5ths compromise was a poltitical deal between the North and the South over representation in the US House of Representatives. The South had far fewer Whites than the North, but a lot of slaves. To avoid an early Civil War, slaves were counted as 3/5ths of a person.

This does not pertain to "illegal aliens" because they were not born here and they are not in any way subjected to slavery. "Illegal aliens" are free to and many do move across state lines. Moving slaves across state lines during the antebellum era was a big deal resulting in the Dredd Scott decision.

Yes, most "illegal aliens" are impoverished and work in a country where they cannot vote. They cannot vote because they were not born here. If you want to say well slaves voted! No, Blacks in the USA were intimidated from voting well into the 1960s until the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Illegal aliens can vote, but it will open their immigration status up to scrutiny and possible deportation. Furthermore, stolen and illegal social security numbers is a booming business. There are ways for them to get access to vote, but none of them are legal, nor should they ever be.

The best compromise is a path to legalization through a $15k to 30k fine for immigrating illegally. After they pay the fine and pass the US citizenship tests, then I would take no umbrage for them legally voting. Until then, they are here illegally, they are alien to our culture, and they should live within their means without raising an issue which polls have shown the US will not stand in giving, which is illegal aliens the same rights as US born or naturalized citizens without any consequence.

So how many inhabitants does USA have?

I read a few days ago it was 308 million something and was surprised since it was like 303 million a year ago.

So are illegals included in that 308 million number? And we get population stat numbers from at least two different officials in the USA?

If I read it well it increased with 25 million in 10 years....That is almost the same % as Sweden..Only Sweden 50-70k yearly population increase doesn't sound that impressive..

And if I am right Sweden does not count Illegal aliens to his population..


Anyway ontopic...  I thought illegal aliens were always the new slaves?  What is the difference between now and like 10 years ago?

yeah, I remember that. We were told to tell everyone that no one else in the government would see the records. Not even immigration. When I told people that several of them became much more co-operative >_>