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jneul said:
DirtyP2002 said:

Yeah I think somebody who trolls everything Kinect related on other sites is a credible source!

how does a new interface and kinect make x360 better than ps3 seriously lolz, ps3 has move you know and it has hardcore games, kinect has no hardcore games at release, not to mention it does not work as advertised!!

 

^^yeah well you should only have 1 just for being stupid and invading lots of ps3 threads, like I said in the PM go play on your dustbox360, I only come on here in the morning and on the night, the rest of the day I'm a ps3 gamer.

 

the equivalent to mario is LBP and LBP is better because of user generated content and sharing

 

how many of those games will work well with connect, i am betting most will be shovelware and worse than the wii party games

 

OUT OF THE AMOUNT OF [Kinect] SALES 90% WILL BE RETURNED...

 

MS is desperate to slow down move sales in negligence of all the positive feedback move is getting, shame kinect when bought will get returned in high amounts...

 

Just a small sample of the nonsense you post every day on N4g.com! This is just from the past 5 days!
Feel free to check  for yourself.

http://n4g.com/user/score/jneul

 

 

Sorry, but somehow, I don't believe you.

 


what is even scarier is the fact you made an effort to find those comments on another site, the point is i did not say them on here, if you have a problem message me next time, then maybe i will explain why i feel this way about kinect, and it's not for the reasons you think.

ironically you said more negative thinggs about move all within one day on vgc, so i guess we are equal

the point is i don't do it on here, i have many friends on here and chose not to "troll" if that is what you consider it to be.

But you DID say them, these are YOUR words, and therefore are what you wished to convey to some group of people somewhere, thus, these are your true thoughts. There is absolutely no defense you can poise that, aty this point, could possibly give you an ounce of credibility.

As for those claiming this thread has become a shit throwing fest...it has, but for good reason, spreading misinformation, and slander are hardly things that should be praised.



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ironman said:
jneul said:
DirtyP2002 said:

Yeah I think somebody who trolls everything Kinect related on other sites is a credible source!

how does a new interface and kinect make x360 better than ps3 seriously lolz, ps3 has move you know and it has hardcore games, kinect has no hardcore games at release, not to mention it does not work as advertised!!

 

^^yeah well you should only have 1 just for being stupid and invading lots of ps3 threads, like I said in the PM go play on your dustbox360, I only come on here in the morning and on the night, the rest of the day I'm a ps3 gamer.

 

the equivalent to mario is LBP and LBP is better because of user generated content and sharing

 

how many of those games will work well with connect, i am betting most will be shovelware and worse than the wii party games

 

OUT OF THE AMOUNT OF [Kinect] SALES 90% WILL BE RETURNED...

 

MS is desperate to slow down move sales in negligence of all the positive feedback move is getting, shame kinect when bought will get returned in high amounts...

 

Just a small sample of the nonsense you post every day on N4g.com! This is just from the past 5 days!
Feel free to check  for yourself.

http://n4g.com/user/score/jneul

 

 

Sorry, but somehow, I don't believe you.

 


what is even scarier is the fact you made an effort to find those comments on another site, the point is i did not say them on here, if you have a problem message me next time, then maybe i will explain why i feel this way about kinect, and it's not for the reasons you think.

ironically you said more negative thinggs about move all within one day on vgc, so i guess we are equal

the point is i don't do it on here, i have many friends on here and chose not to "troll" if that is what you consider it to be.

But you DID say them, these are YOUR words, and therefore are what you wished to convey to some group of people somewhere, thus, these are your true thoughts. There is absolutely no defense you can poise that, aty this point, could possibly give you an ounce of credibility.

As for those claiming this thread has become a shit throwing fest...it has, but for good reason, spreading misinformation, and slander are hardly things that should be praised.

this thread has become a shit throwing thread and most people pointing their fingers have trolled themselves, and what does an experience i had at game have anything to do with what i said at n4g, funny how another member on here had the same experience as me, but yet i'm still a liar.

also btw most of the thing i say about kinect are true, maybe not the returns thing however, most of the real video footage we have all seen has shown us nothing but problems with kinect, it's only a very few ones that actually show no problems, yet you all claim i am making this all up.

here are my reasons for feeling the way i do about kinect ok, here goes:

  • kinect only runs at 30fps, which will cause quite a bit of lag, now people have reported of up to 1-2 seconds, that is quite slow and really not fast enough to handle precise movements (move lag is 22ms, wii lag is 10-20ms!!)
  • how many times have you watched that kinect adventures video of them struggling to select menu options, that is because tracking your hand via a camera is not exactly the best way to have a pointer based interface, and it becomes very similar to the issues that eyetoy had, except sometimes even worse, just  look at the NYC KInect tryout feedback from many people, where we literally saw loads of video's with kinect fail in them
  • kinect will have the same issues as eyetoy with bright lighting
  • kinect has issues with people who are children, wearing dark clothing, and people to like to wear long skirts/dresses,  and sitting down (i hear they have calibration for this, but if people complain about move calibration, they will complain about this)
  • kinect is limited, and most games will be on rails, I know they are developing a way to track your x360 controller giving you six-axis like abilities, but in my opinion six-axis is nowhere near as good as move and it's still limiting
  • right now especially games wise i fell like kinect is one big cash in, ms is ignoring it's hardcore userbase, I'm sure you all would much rather have more new hardcore games over this, but yet here we are discussing my supposed "slander"
  • this may get me banned but atleast you know why I feel the way I do



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    jneul said:
    ironman said:
    jneul said:
    DirtyP2002 said:

    Yeah I think somebody who trolls everything Kinect related on other sites is a credible source!

    how does a new interface and kinect make x360 better than ps3 seriously lolz, ps3 has move you know and it has hardcore games, kinect has no hardcore games at release, not to mention it does not work as advertised!!

     

    ^^yeah well you should only have 1 just for being stupid and invading lots of ps3 threads, like I said in the PM go play on your dustbox360, I only come on here in the morning and on the night, the rest of the day I'm a ps3 gamer.

     

    the equivalent to mario is LBP and LBP is better because of user generated content and sharing

     

    how many of those games will work well with connect, i am betting most will be shovelware and worse than the wii party games

     

    OUT OF THE AMOUNT OF [Kinect] SALES 90% WILL BE RETURNED...

     

    MS is desperate to slow down move sales in negligence of all the positive feedback move is getting, shame kinect when bought will get returned in high amounts...

     

    Just a small sample of the nonsense you post every day on N4g.com! This is just from the past 5 days!
    Feel free to check  for yourself.

    http://n4g.com/user/score/jneul

     

     

    Sorry, but somehow, I don't believe you.

     


    what is even scarier is the fact you made an effort to find those comments on another site, the point is i did not say them on here, if you have a problem message me next time, then maybe i will explain why i feel this way about kinect, and it's not for the reasons you think.

    ironically you said more negative thinggs about move all within one day on vgc, so i guess we are equal

    the point is i don't do it on here, i have many friends on here and chose not to "troll" if that is what you consider it to be.

    But you DID say them, these are YOUR words, and therefore are what you wished to convey to some group of people somewhere, thus, these are your true thoughts. There is absolutely no defense you can poise that, aty this point, could possibly give you an ounce of credibility.

    As for those claiming this thread has become a shit throwing fest...it has, but for good reason, spreading misinformation, and slander are hardly things that should be praised.

    this thread has become a shit throwing thread and most people pointing their fingers have trolled themselves, and what does an experience i had at game have anything to do with what i said at n4g, funny how another member on here had the same experience as me, but yet i'm still a liar.

    also btw most of the thing i say about kinect are true, maybe not the returns thing however, most of the real video footage we have all seen has shown us nothing but problems with kinect, it's only a very few ones that actually show no problems, yet you all claim i am making this all up.

    here are my reasons for feeling the way i do about kinect ok, here goes:

  • kinect only runs at 30fps, which will cause quite a bit of lag, now people have reported of up to 1-2 seconds, that is quite slow and really not fast enough to handle precise movements (move lag is 22ms, wii lag is 10-20ms!!)
  • how many times have you watched that kinect adventures video of them struggling to select menu options, that is because tracking your hand via a camera is not exactly the best way to have a pointer based interface, and it becomes very similar to the issues that eyetoy had, except sometimes even worse, just  look at the NYC KInect tryout feedback from many people, where we literally saw loads of video's with kinect fail in them
  • kinect will have the same issues as eyetoy with bright lighting
  • kinect has issues with people who are children, wearing dark clothing, and people to like to wear long skirts/dresses,  and sitting down (i hear they have calibration for this, but if people complain about move calibration, they will complain about this)
  • kinect is limited, and most games will be on rails, I know they are developing a way to track your x360 controller giving you six-axis like abilities, but in my opinion six-axis is nowhere near as good as move and it's still limiting
  • right now especially games wise i fell like kinect is one big cash in, ms is ignoring it's hardcore userbase, I'm sure you all would much rather have more new hardcore games over this, but yet here we are discussing my supposed "slander"
  • this may get me banned but atleast you know why I feel the way I do


    This is the stuff that bugs that crap out of me.  People say "I don't like something because.." and then post blantantly false information to back up their point.  NO ONE is reporting 1-2 SECONDS of lag in Kinect,  that would be completely unplayable.  The report I saw on Eurogamer pegged the lag at about 200ms, which is slightly more than Killzone 3 which they measured at 155ms lag.  However, that is also software dependent.

    Go to the 7 min of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC-sEIFFQ70 You'll see that the raw data is almost realtime, very little lag.  AGAIN, keep in mind that the giant TV array behind him is adding lag as well.  Certain titles like Your Shape feel completely lag free because they are using raw data to represent you in the game, it's not having to use much processing time to map that data to a skeleton on an in-game character.

    Which brings me to my second point about lag, you're judging Kinect lag on what you're see on the screen and then quoting the CONTROLLER lag of Move, not the actually lag when you include software and TV lag.  The 155ms lag of KZ3 is NOT due to the controller you are using, it's coming from the software.

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/playstation-move-controller-lag-analysis-blog-entry

    That article calculated actual lag of Move at around 133ms.



    Okay guys just report her, I did, and If enough of you guys do too one of these mods will ban her.



    jneul said:
    ironman said:
    jneul said:
    DirtyP2002 said:

    Yeah I think somebody who trolls everything Kinect related on other sites is a credible source!

    how does a new interface and kinect make x360 better than ps3 seriously lolz, ps3 has move you know and it has hardcore games, kinect has no hardcore games at release, not to mention it does not work as advertised!!

     

    ^^yeah well you should only have 1 just for being stupid and invading lots of ps3 threads, like I said in the PM go play on your dustbox360, I only come on here in the morning and on the night, the rest of the day I'm a ps3 gamer.

     

    the equivalent to mario is LBP and LBP is better because of user generated content and sharing

     

    how many of those games will work well with connect, i am betting most will be shovelware and worse than the wii party games

     

    OUT OF THE AMOUNT OF [Kinect] SALES 90% WILL BE RETURNED...

     

    MS is desperate to slow down move sales in negligence of all the positive feedback move is getting, shame kinect when bought will get returned in high amounts...

     

    Just a small sample of the nonsense you post every day on N4g.com! This is just from the past 5 days!
    Feel free to check  for yourself.

    http://n4g.com/user/score/jneul

     

     

    Sorry, but somehow, I don't believe you.

     


    what is even scarier is the fact you made an effort to find those comments on another site, the point is i did not say them on here, if you have a problem message me next time, then maybe i will explain why i feel this way about kinect, and it's not for the reasons you think.

    ironically you said more negative thinggs about move all within one day on vgc, so i guess we are equal

    the point is i don't do it on here, i have many friends on here and chose not to "troll" if that is what you consider it to be.

    But you DID say them, these are YOUR words, and therefore are what you wished to convey to some group of people somewhere, thus, these are your true thoughts. There is absolutely no defense you can poise that, aty this point, could possibly give you an ounce of credibility.

    As for those claiming this thread has become a shit throwing fest...it has, but for good reason, spreading misinformation, and slander are hardly things that should be praised.

    this thread has become a shit throwing thread and most people pointing their fingers have trolled themselves, and what does an experience i had at game have anything to do with what i said at n4g, funny how another member on here had the same experience as me, but yet i'm still a liar.

    also btw most of the thing i say about kinect are true, maybe not the returns thing however, most of the real video footage we have all seen has shown us nothing but problems with kinect, it's only a very few ones that actually show no problems, yet you all claim i am making this all up.

    here are my reasons for feeling the way i do about kinect ok, here goes:

  • kinect only runs at 30fps, which will cause quite a bit of lag, now people have reported of up to 1-2 seconds, that is quite slow and really not fast enough to handle precise movements (move lag is 22ms, wii lag is 10-20ms!!)
  • how many times have you watched that kinect adventures video of them struggling to select menu options, that is because tracking your hand via a camera is not exactly the best way to have a pointer based interface, and it becomes very similar to the issues that eyetoy had, except sometimes even worse, just  look at the NYC KInect tryout feedback from many people, where we literally saw loads of video's with kinect fail in them
  • kinect will have the same issues as eyetoy with bright lighting
  • kinect has issues with people who are children, wearing dark clothing, and people to like to wear long skirts/dresses,  and sitting down (i hear they have calibration for this, but if people complain about move calibration, they will complain about this)
  • kinect is limited, and most games will be on rails, I know they are developing a way to track your x360 controller giving you six-axis like abilities, but in my opinion six-axis is nowhere near as good as move and it's still limiting
  • right now especially games wise i fell like kinect is one big cash in, ms is ignoring it's hardcore userbase, I'm sure you all would much rather have more new hardcore games over this, but yet here we are discussing my supposed "slander"
  • this may get me banned but atleast you know why I feel the way I do


    Ah, more of the same from Jnuel...who woulda thunk???



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    Jadedx said:

    Okay guys just report her, I did, and If enough of you guys do too one of these mods will ban her.


    A lot of people tried, the thing is she's been on the site long enough that they don't care. There's a lot of old stealth trolls here that get away with a lot. We should have to just ignore, report, and move on. What ever happened to "If you don't have anything nice to say about something, don't say anything at all"?



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    A Bad Clown said:
    Jadedx said:

    Okay guys just report her, I did, and If enough of you guys do too one of these mods will ban her.


    A lot of people tried, the thing is she's been on the site long enough that they don't care. There's a lot of old stealth trolls here that get away with a lot. We should have to just ignore, report, and move on. What ever happened to "If you don't have anything nice to say about something, don't say anything at all"?


    call me whatever you want, beleive what ever you want, you know i tried to level with you all and you threw it right in my face, atleast i made a constructive argument as to what i thought of kinect.



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    kowenicki said:
    jneul said:
    A Bad Clown said:
    Jadedx said:

    Okay guys just report her, I did, and If enough of you guys do too one of these mods will ban her.


    A lot of people tried, the thing is she's been on the site long enough that they don't care. There's a lot of old stealth trolls here that get away with a lot. We should have to just ignore, report, and move on. What ever happened to "If you don't have anything nice to say about something, don't say anything at all"?


    call me whatever you want, beleive what ever you want, you know i tried to level with you all and you threw it right in my face, atleast i made a constructive argument as to what i thought of kinect.

    in what way is it a constructive argument?

    funny because you can talk, what about when you told me move was going to be a waste of my money and complete shite, despite all the positive feedback, kinect has had nothing but mainly negative feedback and yet here we all are defending it what nice people we are

    anyway i'm fed up of you lot, so im off to play on my psp no kh:bbs here i come



    it's the future of handheld

    PS VITA = LIFE

    The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

    jneul said:
    kowenicki said:
    jneul said:
    A Bad Clown said:
    Jadedx said:

    Okay guys just report her, I did, and If enough of you guys do too one of these mods will ban her.


    A lot of people tried, the thing is she's been on the site long enough that they don't care. There's a lot of old stealth trolls here that get away with a lot. We should have to just ignore, report, and move on. What ever happened to "If you don't have anything nice to say about something, don't say anything at all"?


    call me whatever you want, beleive what ever you want, you know i tried to level with you all and you threw it right in my face, atleast i made a constructive argument as to what i thought of kinect.

    in what way is it a constructive argument?

    funny because you can talk, what about when you told me move was going to be a waste of my money and complete shite, despite all the positive feedback, kinect has had nothing but mainly negative feedback and yet here we all are defending it what nice people we are

    anyway i'm fed up of you lot, so im off to play on my psp no kh:bbs here i come


    XD what? Epic fail!!!



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    jneul said:
    kowenicki said:
    jneul said:


    call me whatever you want, beleive what ever you want, you know i tried to level with you all and you threw it right in my face, atleast i made a constructive argument as to what i thought of kinect.

    in what way is it a constructive argument?

    funny because you can talk, what about when you told me move was going to be a waste of my money and complete shite, despite all the positive feedback, kinect has had nothing but mainly negative feedback and yet here we all are defending it what nice people we are

    anyway i'm fed up of you lot, so im off to play on my psp no kh:bbs here i come


    So...it's safe to say that this thread really doesn't have much to do with GAME and that it's more about your Kinect obsession?

    This is your thread, the topic is about GAME trying to force their stuff down our throats, which every video game store does, especially with new and hot products because they want to make some money; yet I see you talk more about how bad of a product Kinect is and how much it's launch games suck.

    I'm sorry if I misread the OP but what does Kinect have to do with this thread other than being the current hot product that GAME (and other game stores) want to sell so they can make lots of money?

    You are even bringing the Move into this discussion!

     

     

    I also want to say that I really, really dislike Ad Hominem attacks.