Oh boy... this discussion is happening again.

The Kinect actually makes a skeleton of the body and can transfer the exact movement to a 3D model.

These Eyetoy games bascially just sense where motion is happening.

Video 1 - All it's tracking is where his hands and feet end up on a 2D plane, it's not tracking his body.  All that martial arts he's doing is just for show, you could do the same thing without all the fancy stuff. 

Video 2 - Same thing and hey look!  Developed by Hamonix, the EXACT same devs who said they've wanted to do a dance game for 5 years but the tech didn't EXIST to be able to do it how they wanted, I guess they don't know about all the stuff the Eyetoy can really do even though they made a game for it.

Video 3 - is the same video as video 1

Video 4 - Same thing, just tracking where you hands end up on the screen.  Do people REALLY not understand what body skeletal tracking is?   What information do you need to understand it?

Which games have had really bad previews?  I mentioned the ones I tried myself and I enjoyed them.

I'm not arguing which one is better, I'm just saying that the games are pretty much the same. Saying the Move is vastly different to the Wii mote and it's games is wrong, the same thing applies to the Eyetoy and Kinect.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm not saying which camera is better. It's obvious that Kinect is the better camera. I'm just saying that the experiences aren't vastly different when it comes to these types of games. 

The bad previews point: Child of Eden, Kinectimals, Sonic Free Riders and Kinect Adventures. Judging from the articles I've read and the podcasts I've listened to, they all seem to be the bad apples of the bunch. They love Dance Central though.

How are they the same?  I guess thats what I'm missing.  Because they use body motion to affect things on screen?  In that sense every game played with a controller is the same.  Is is the genre that is similar?  Because he was attacking things with his body then any game that uses a body is the same and should be downplayed constantly?

Why do people go gaga over Uncharted 2?  It's basically just Tomb Raider.

Why even buy a PS3 at all?  The games are basically the same as the PS2, right?   Press buttons on controller, waggle your thumb and stuff happens on the screen.  Waste of $300 bucks to do that on a PS3.  Just like that DVD rip off Blu-ray.  Worthless.

None of the games you showed me are the same experience as I had playing Kinect.  I wasn't flinging my arms around hitting points on a screen, I was controlling my entire character and the in game camera with what I was doing and which way I was facing.

I've read a lot of previews on Child of Eden and all but one (Destructoid) said the best experience was playing it on Kinect.  That the game was more immersive (albiet less precise) playing it that way.

I had a blast playing Kinectimals and I'm certainly not the target audience, my girlfriend's 7 year old is going to flip over that game.

Haven't heard much of Sonic Free Riders but I've watched a number of people playing it and it seemed like it could be fun, but I'm holding off on that until reviews are in.   Kinect Adventures was fun for a party but I wouldn't play it all the time.  If it didn't come with the unit I wouldn't buy it but I'll bet the kids will be playing it quite a bit.

Overreaction much?

If your going that way with your argument, then I'll stop it here. It's also hard to take your Kinect impressions seriously, your history of 360 bias kind of dirty's them a little, especially when more professional means of media that I can trust haven't been so kind to the device. Don't take it as an insult, it's just my view on things. I don't trust all this motion control stuff, it brings out the worse in people sometimes and until Kinect or Move actually does anything innovative, useful or at least exciting for the industry, then I'll stay sceptical.

OT: No the prices won't do anything to convince the consumer, it's a mixture of the marketing and the quality of the games that will convince the consumer to spend.

Typical, don't have a good response so attack my character and impugn my judgement.  Obviously I'm not professional enough to have an opinion on games. 

I didn't attack your character, I just have to take your impressions with a grain of salt due to your history. I'd expect people to do the same with me if they had to. Also, yes, I'd trust the writers and developers that I've been listing to for the last threes, more than I would ever trust a forum dweller (you and me).

I made an argument and you went into hyperbole mode, I don't feel like adding an extra four pages to this thread, when both my opinion and yours won't be changed by the end of it.