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Move games start at $40. Kinect games start at $50. Do you guys see the price of games affecting the sales of either of these?

Nope.

If the Kinect games are more appealing people will gladly drop the extra $10.

Move required games so far have been lame. The only one that seems worth playing is free with the bundle.

As opposed to the 0 kinect only games worth playing 

After trying out a number of games, I'm getting at launch:

Dance Central, Your Shape, Kinectimals, Kinect Sports (and Kinect Adventures although it's bundled anyway).  Ones that I didn't try but am interested in are EA Sports Active 2 (have the Wii version of the first one and although it was good I never used it because I hated have to strap the damn controllers to various parts of my body all the time), Motion Sports, Sonic Free Riders and possibly the Brunswick bowling game pending reviews.

Very excited for Child of Eden and Project Draco next year.

Move launched with titles similar to those(some actually on it), and not well received, in short, you'd probably like alot of the crappy move games too

Can you point me to the Move versions of Your Shape and Dance Central?  EA Sports Active 2 that doesn't require a controller and can track things like push-ups?   Where is the Move skiing game that tracks your body downhill?

I must have missed those.

You can pretend that experience of twisting your arms is the same as controlling a gaming with your whole body but it's simply not true.

the move has the PS EYE and you can play those type of games without the move controller

Great!  Point me to those games please.

It's interesting though that the PS3 version of EA Sports Active 2 doesn't include all the features of the Kinect version.

"Where Kinect’s uniqueness comes in is with its “Total Body Tracking” system: because the camera has the ability to follow your skeleton, it can analyze your exercises and provide feedback. I watched Recio do a few half-hearted leg lifts, and the game quickly pointed out that he need to lift his leg higher if he wanted to get credit for a rep. Lazy folks might have been able to “cheat” the original EA Sports Active on the Wii, but that’s going to be much more difficult when the all-seeing eyes of Kinect are watching your every move. "

Why did they not include it in the PS3 version, since, as you say, it can do all the same stuff?  Someone should show them how the Eyetoy works I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au4d5anfjnA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFyEqpDOf8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1QbULs3pn4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeBp2KVRM_o

Take into account that that's all being done on the Eye Toy and on the PS2, I'm sure the PS Eye and PS3 can do much better. It's obvious that the Kinect is a better camera, the guy you replied to never said it wasn't. His just saying that those types of games aren't exactly great and can probably be done on other hardware because it doesn't actually take advantage of the hardware it's currently using.

It also doesn't help that a few of the games that you mentioned have had really bad previews.

Video 1 - All it's tracking is where his hands and feet end up on a 2D plane, it's not tracking his body.  All that martial arts he's doing is just for show, you could do the same thing without all the fancy stuff. 

Video 2 - Same thing and hey look!  Developed by Hamonix, the EXACT same devs who said they've wanted to do a dance game for 5 years but the tech didn't EXIST to be able to do it how they wanted, I guess they don't know about all the stuff the Eyetoy can really do even though they made a game for it.

Video 3 - is the same video as video 1

Video 4 - Same thing, just tracking where you hands end up on the screen.  Do people REALLY not understand what body skeletal tracking is?   What information do you need to understand it?

Which games have had really bad previews?  I mentioned the ones I tried myself and I enjoyed them.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm not saying which camera is better. It's obvious that Kinect is the better camera. I'm just saying that the experiences aren't vastly different when it comes to these types of games. 

The bad previews point: Child of Eden, Kinectimals, Sonic Free Riders and Kinect Adventures. Judging from the articles I've read and the podcasts I've listened to, they all seem to be the bad apples of the bunch. They love Dance Central though.

I've read a lot of previews on Child of Eden and all but one (Destructoid) said the best experience was playing it on Kinect.  That the game was more immersive (albiet less precise) playing it that way.

I had a blast playing Kinectimals and I'm certainly not the target audience, my girlfriend's 7 year old is going to flip over that game.

Haven't heard much of Sonic Free Riders but I've watched a number of people playing it and it seemed like it could be fun, but I'm holding off on that until reviews are in.   Kinect Adventures was fun for a party but I wouldn't play it all the time.  If it didn't come with the unit I wouldn't buy it but I'll bet the kids will be playing it quite a bit.