Really it looks clunky to me for a handheld we are going on about not computers or laptops....

anyway it's just an opinion

VIRTUAL BOY WAS NOT REALLY PORTABLE(IT WAS HUGE!!), AND IT NEVER BECAME MAINSTEAM THO, SO LETS MOVE ALONG NOW.

It took me a while to come up with that one (expecting a ban sometime soon), you can't ignore that nintendo may have been infleuenced by other 3d-portable devices as well, just like you all argue even tho move prototype existed as early as 2001, it still got infleuenced by wiimote, it is not a bad thing tho, it's called improving upon existing technology

No one has ever claimed the system was well designed for anything. The creator even thought it needed another year of work before it was ready for release at a minimum. Design faults do not change intended use. It was quite clearly meant to be played wherever you felt like bringing it as evidence by the lack of a screen, and battery powered usage. The topic title also states portable, not hand held. Don't try to move goal posts mid way through a conversation.

Ok I'll try to explain it now because it really annoys me whenever I see people writing about innovation

Developing new technologies is not innovation but "invention" The way a technology is used (!!) makes it innovative.

Fibreglass for instance is not innovative. Only when you use it to transport data it becomes an innovative technology because it allows us to do a job in a different / faster way (transporting data).

A thing without use is never innovative. No matter what you invent you always have to find a use for it or it isn't innovative. Otherwise some guy piling the trash he found on the street would be innovative, too.

The 3DS is innovative because it provides a new use for existing technology.

The Wii is innovative because it provides a new use for existing technology, too! Motion sensors already existed before the Wii. Does that mean it isn't innovative?

The Playstation Move is not innovative because it uses already existing technology for something that has already been done with the same technology. (Motion sensors to play games) The only thing about move that is innovative is the camera because that can be used to play games differently. But that's not the main selling point of the Move controller. The controller itself uses the same technology the Wiimote does and does the same job with it. So it is not innovative. Now if Sony "copied" the Wiimote to control you refrigator that would be innovative even though it used the same technology It would also be innovative if Sony showed a completely different technology to let you play games like you do on the Wii (same job but different tech).

And don't start arguing that the move uses slightly different technology. It was released later. A car with servo steering is still a car

(This post wasn't supposed to sound angry, by the way. But people just keep arguing over this )

i obviously choose the wrong title and i should have put handheld only, sorry i do apologise

anyway i think this thread has gone off track now

nothing by sony is innovative according to you lot, and btw it does use new technology does wiimote have magnetometers and uses camera's as well - no it does not, does it have augmented reality -  no it does not, does it have object modelling - no it does not, does it track your body -no it does not, so move did find new ways of doing things, thanks for confirming what i thought all along this time, the word innovation only applies to companies by the name of nintendo

also we all know about the move prototype video from 2004, if move is such a copy surely all the reviewr's would be agreeing with you in harmony, but unfortunately they are not, move is a new experience.

not being angry either but i am getting fed up here and just wanted to show you all nintendo are not the only company to make use of certain technologies, just as sony is not the only one's to make use of the CD, DVD and Blue-ray formats which it helped developed with cell, however that's not innovation - how ironic

nothing by sony is innovative according to you lot, and btw it does use new technology does wiimote have magnetometers and uses camera's as well - no it does not, does it have augmented reality -  no it does not, does it have object modelling - no it does not, does it track your body -no it does not, so move did find new ways of doing things, thanks for confirming what i thought all along this time, the word innovation only applies to companies by the name of nintendo

also we all know about the move prototype video from 2004, if move is such a copy surely all the reviewr's would be agreeing with you in harmony, but unfortunately they are not, move is a new experience.

not being angry either but i am getting fed up here and just wanted to show you all nintendo are not the only company to make use of certain technologies, just as sony is not the only one's to make use of the CD, DVD and Blue-ray formats and CELL whioch Sony all had hands on with, however that's not innovation - how ironic

That is not ironic at all, and using a disc format is the furthest thing from innovative. Especially when others used it first in the case of CDs. Move is not even the first product from Sony to do many of the things you claim as the Eye Toy came out during the PS2 era. Your entire argument here doesn't hold water in the least.

The Move still uses the same technology the Wii does it just adds things to it (Stervo steering )

I don't get why you think I'm sort of obsessed with Nintendo being innovative, though... I just wrote down what innovation is, that's it.

Of course CD's and DVD's were innovative! I would never argue that! The CD was one of the biggest innovations of the past decades because it allowed us to store more data for less money by using a new way to store it.

I'm not sure if the Cell is innovative because I'm not too much into CPU's and such But I think it is innovative because of the way it works.

The PSP was also innovative because it gave you a new physical media format to watch movies on the go. UMD movies weren't scuccessful but still innovative.

Just the Move's core technology isn't innovative. And I already said the Move's camera (AR, object modelling...) is innovative. I wouldn't argue that, either. But people seem to focus on the main controller for some reason and that is obviously a Wiimote in a slightly different design.

....what's you problem?

and virtual boy came out in the 80's, as for using CD technology it failed before just as virtual boy failed, sony made it mainsteam just as wii made wiimote mainsteam, if you can't find the contradiction, fair enough