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darthdevidem01 said:

{gets popcorn out and waits for other posts to come in}



can I have some?

wheather this is the truth or not, I'm just a broke a-- guy. All I will do is just ask for more popcorn, maybe buy some myself. Next post please.

P.s. can we not repeat stuff, we get it in the first post.



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Rath said:
nobodyspecial said:

Only people who have absolutely no knowledge of it and total retards don't believe in the NWO. For a start why don't you find all the instances where leaders talk about the New World Order and global governance? (ie. One world government.) It goes back a lot further than George Bush Snr though.

If you don't believe in the NWO then you must also think that the EU (the European arm of the NWO) is simply a figment of people's imagination, right? What is now known as the EU was created by the Nazis The Nazi's were extreme nationalists. The EU stood against their ideals, the start of the EU would be the European Coal and Steel Community well after the Nazi's defeat(documented fact), is being completed by marxists There are no Marxist states in the EU, in fact there aren't really any Marxist states in the world  (also plenty of documented evidence) and was originally supposed to have been combined with the USSR to become the EUSSR but the USSR collapsed before that could happen. (Although it's still often nicknamed the EUSSR.) Citation Needed? I've never heard it called that before. The people in charge of the EU are unelected The EU is ruled by either the European Parliament (elected) or by the heads of states/government (depending on whether the country is a constitutional monarchy or not) of the member countries who are also elected., only the peripheral MEPs are elected but they have very little power. (Unless they all voted against the EU's laws which is unlikely since most of them are from NWO controlled parties and happily vote for the EU's laws, but even if they all voted against them they'd probably be overruled by those unelected politicians at the head of the EU like the UK government can use and has used the Parliament Act to overrule the House Of Lords.) The EU demands that all its member countries implement its laws even if they contradict those countries laws. (In which case EU law overrules national law.)

So, we have an illegal organisation (it's illegal for any foreign power to take power from sovereign nations unless they've been conquered in war and even then the people could fight to take power back) Actually I think you will find that the countries agreed to be a part of the EU called the EU that is unelected (where it matters, including the Presidents, I say Presidents because there's the President Of The European Commission and the President Of The European Council and neither are elected by the public) yet is in control of most of Europe and intends to be in complete, total control of all of Europe which is what will happen if it's not fought. That is undisputable and admitted fact. So, if it's fact that an unelected and increasingly fascist totalitarian Do you even know the meaning of Facism? The leading political powers of the EU are moderate to socialist organisation is taking control of an entire continent of the Earth then why do you NWO DENIERS (yes, we can use the word too and by the way the whole "man-made climate change" crap is part of the NWO's plan) disbelieve that the same is planned for the entire world by the "elite" who are collectively known as the NWO? The evidence is overwhelming and unless you all (or at best all your children) want to be NWO slaves you should fight the NWO whenever you can and vote for anti-NWO parties!

By the way, if you're from the USA then you should learn about the NAU (North American Union) which is sort of like an American version of the EU, they're planning to combine Canada, USA and Mexico to create the NAU and like most EU countries have now replaced their national currency with the Euro the NAU's currency is planned to be called the Amero. If you're from the UK then join The British Resistance: http://thebritishresistance.co.uk

Because I'm kind of sick of bullshit tonight.

Look up the Red House Report for starters dumbass and if you pay attention and follow the facts you'll see that the European Coal And Steel Community was set up using Nazi fronts including companies like Volkswagen. And you think total control of Europe is against the Nazis' ideals? LMAO!

Europe is full of marxists, some openly marxist and some not yet they conform to marxist ideology. (Look up the Frankfurt School and its aims.) in the UK Labour's new leader Ed Miliband is not only a marxist but his grandfather is a mass murdering marxist whose job was to kill any dissenters opposed to communism. Not that you have to pick him out since most of the establishment politicians, at least the high profile ones, are marxists or at least conform to marxist ideology as I said before.

It's not my problem that you've never heard the EU called the EUSSR before. Go and type EUSSR in a search engine yourself, you'll find plenty of examples, I'm not going to bother to do it for you.

The periferal MEPs are elected, not the people who actually have power. Or did my voting form for everybody except the periferal MEPs get lost in the post?

Countries didn't agree to be in the EU, at least not all of them, here in the UK for instance we never had a referendum, plus the governments of sovereign nations don't have the right to hand over power to a foreign organisation. The EU is illegal, it's as simple as that.

Yes, I do know the general meaning of fascism (although it's never had a fixed meaning, it started of as just meaning powerful I believe) it includes totalitarian control which is what the EU want. It also includes that unjust control through force. Now you'll probably point to giving criminals (including terrorists) and illegal immigrants all kinds unfair rights as not being fascist but you're wrong because it's done to destablise society and restrict innocent people's rights. It's all part of marxist control and marxist control is fascism. The police are politicised and assault and even kill inocent people. Fascism! Anti-NWO parties all over Europe are constantly attacked verbally, (il)legally and even physically by the establishment. FASCISM!!!

If you're sick and tired of bullshit then stop producing it, DUH!



nobodyspecial said:
Rath said:
nobodyspecial said:

Only people who have absolutely no knowledge of it and total retards don't believe in the NWO. For a start why don't you find all the instances where leaders talk about the New World Order and global governance? (ie. One world government.) It goes back a lot further than George Bush Snr though.

If you don't believe in the NWO then you must also think that the EU (the European arm of the NWO) is simply a figment of people's imagination, right? What is now known as the EU was created by the Nazis The Nazi's were extreme nationalists. The EU stood against their ideals, the start of the EU would be the European Coal and Steel Community well after the Nazi's defeat(documented fact), is being completed by marxists There are no Marxist states in the EU, in fact there aren't really any Marxist states in the world  (also plenty of documented evidence) and was originally supposed to have been combined with the USSR to become the EUSSR but the USSR collapsed before that could happen. (Although it's still often nicknamed the EUSSR.) Citation Needed? I've never heard it called that before. The people in charge of the EU are unelected The EU is ruled by either the European Parliament (elected) or by the heads of states/government (depending on whether the country is a constitutional monarchy or not) of the member countries who are also elected., only the peripheral MEPs are elected but they have very little power. (Unless they all voted against the EU's laws which is unlikely since most of them are from NWO controlled parties and happily vote for the EU's laws, but even if they all voted against them they'd probably be overruled by those unelected politicians at the head of the EU like the UK government can use and has used the Parliament Act to overrule the House Of Lords.) The EU demands that all its member countries implement its laws even if they contradict those countries laws. (In which case EU law overrules national law.)

So, we have an illegal organisation (it's illegal for any foreign power to take power from sovereign nations unless they've been conquered in war and even then the people could fight to take power back) Actually I think you will find that the countries agreed to be a part of the EU called the EU that is unelected (where it matters, including the Presidents, I say Presidents because there's the President Of The European Commission and the President Of The European Council and neither are elected by the public) yet is in control of most of Europe and intends to be in complete, total control of all of Europe which is what will happen if it's not fought. That is undisputable and admitted fact. So, if it's fact that an unelected and increasingly fascist totalitarian Do you even know the meaning of Facism? The leading political powers of the EU are moderate to socialist organisation is taking control of an entire continent of the Earth then why do you NWO DENIERS (yes, we can use the word too and by the way the whole "man-made climate change" crap is part of the NWO's plan) disbelieve that the same is planned for the entire world by the "elite" who are collectively known as the NWO? The evidence is overwhelming and unless you all (or at best all your children) want to be NWO slaves you should fight the NWO whenever you can and vote for anti-NWO parties!

By the way, if you're from the USA then you should learn about the NAU (North American Union) which is sort of like an American version of the EU, they're planning to combine Canada, USA and Mexico to create the NAU and like most EU countries have now replaced their national currency with the Euro the NAU's currency is planned to be called the Amero. If you're from the UK then join The British Resistance: http://thebritishresistance.co.uk

Because I'm kind of sick of bullshit tonight.

Look up the Red House Report for starters dumbass, and you think total control of Europe is against the Nazis' ideals? LMAO!

The Nazi's were for ruling Europe as a German national empire. Not for a union. A European Union in the current sense is drastically against the nationalist ideals of the Nazis.

Europe is full of marxists, some openly marxist and some not yet they conform to marxist ideology. (Look up the Frankfurt School and its aims.) in the UK Labour's new leader Ed Miliband is not only a marxist but his grandfather is a mass murdering marxist whose job was to kill any dissenters opposed to communism. Not that you have to pick him out since most of the establishment politicians, at least the high profile ones, are marxists or at least conform to marxist ideology as I said before.

... Do you even know what a Marxist is? Ed  Milliband isn't one. Claiming that he is is quite plainly wrong. His father was indeed a Marxist intellectual but Ed's politics are a far cry from his father. Most Marxists would refuse to support the labour party, its views are very different to Marxism.

It's not my problem that you've never heard the EU called the EUSSR before. Go and type EUSSR in a search engine yourself, you'll find plenty of examples, I'm not going to bother to do it for you.

I'll find plenty of people using the term EUSSR to talk down about the EU. These are not proof that there was any serious idea of an EU, USSR union. The entire thing doesn't make sense given how much of the EU is and was in NATO.

The periferal MEPs are elected, not the people who actually have power. Or did my voting form for everybody except the periferal MEPs get lost in the post?

The majority of the power is in the hands of the heads of states or government of the constituent nations and in the hands of MEPs. Both of these are in some way directly elected by the people.

Countries didn't agree to be in the EU, at least not all of them, here in the UK for instance we never had a referendum, plus the governments of sovereign nations don't have the right to hand over power to a foreign organisation. The EU is illegal, it's as simple as that.

The government that was elected to represent you did agree to be in the EU. Therefore your country agreed to be in the EU.

The rights of a sovereign nation are defined by the constitution of that nation and can include the right to hand over aspects of sovereignity to a foreign or multinational organisation (or else things like the ICC, the UN or the WHO would never really work). If it is illegal it is a matter for the judiciary of that nation to decide, I believe the highest courts of the constituent nations have decided that being in the EU is legal.

Yes, I do know the general meaning of fascism (although it's never had a fixed meaning, it started of as just meaning powerful I believe) it includes totalitarian control which is what the EU want. It also includes that unjust control through force. Now you'll probably point to giving criminals (including terrorists) and illegal immigrants all kinds unfair rights as not being fascist but you're wrong because it's done to destablise society and restrict innocent people's rights. It's all part of marxist control and marxist control is fascism. The police are politicised and assault and even kill inocent people. Fascism! Anti-NWO parties all over Europe are constantly attacked verbally, (il)legally and even physically by the establishment. FASCISM!!!

'-_- Seriously. Facism is an extremely nationalist idealogy. The organisations closest to facism in idealogy are the members of the member parties of Europe of Freedom and Democracy. These parties are Eurosceptics which is what you would expect of nationalist parties.

If you're sick and tired of bullshit then stop producing it, DUH!





Rath said:
nobodyspecial said:
Rath said:
nobodyspecial said:

Only people who have absolutely no knowledge of it and total retards don't believe in the NWO. For a start why don't you find all the instances where leaders talk about the New World Order and global governance? (ie. One world government.) It goes back a lot further than George Bush Snr though.

If you don't believe in the NWO then you must also think that the EU (the European arm of the NWO) is simply a figment of people's imagination, right? What is now known as the EU was created by the Nazis The Nazi's were extreme nationalists. The EU stood against their ideals, the start of the EU would be the European Coal and Steel Community well after the Nazi's defeat(documented fact), is being completed by marxists There are no Marxist states in the EU, in fact there aren't really any Marxist states in the world  (also plenty of documented evidence) and was originally supposed to have been combined with the USSR to become the EUSSR but the USSR collapsed before that could happen. (Although it's still often nicknamed the EUSSR.) Citation Needed? I've never heard it called that before. The people in charge of the EU are unelected The EU is ruled by either the European Parliament (elected) or by the heads of states/government (depending on whether the country is a constitutional monarchy or not) of the member countries who are also elected., only the peripheral MEPs are elected but they have very little power. (Unless they all voted against the EU's laws which is unlikely since most of them are from NWO controlled parties and happily vote for the EU's laws, but even if they all voted against them they'd probably be overruled by those unelected politicians at the head of the EU like the UK government can use and has used the Parliament Act to overrule the House Of Lords.) The EU demands that all its member countries implement its laws even if they contradict those countries laws. (In which case EU law overrules national law.)

So, we have an illegal organisation (it's illegal for any foreign power to take power from sovereign nations unless they've been conquered in war and even then the people could fight to take power back) Actually I think you will find that the countries agreed to be a part of the EU called the EU that is unelected (where it matters, including the Presidents, I say Presidents because there's the President Of The European Commission and the President Of The European Council and neither are elected by the public) yet is in control of most of Europe and intends to be in complete, total control of all of Europe which is what will happen if it's not fought. That is undisputable and admitted fact. So, if it's fact that an unelected and increasingly fascist totalitarian Do you even know the meaning of Facism? The leading political powers of the EU are moderate to socialist organisation is taking control of an entire continent of the Earth then why do you NWO DENIERS (yes, we can use the word too and by the way the whole "man-made climate change" crap is part of the NWO's plan) disbelieve that the same is planned for the entire world by the "elite" who are collectively known as the NWO? The evidence is overwhelming and unless you all (or at best all your children) want to be NWO slaves you should fight the NWO whenever you can and vote for anti-NWO parties!

By the way, if you're from the USA then you should learn about the NAU (North American Union) which is sort of like an American version of the EU, they're planning to combine Canada, USA and Mexico to create the NAU and like most EU countries have now replaced their national currency with the Euro the NAU's currency is planned to be called the Amero. If you're from the UK then join The British Resistance: http://thebritishresistance.co.uk

Because I'm kind of sick of bullshit tonight.

Look up the Red House Report for starters dumbass, and you think total control of Europe is against the Nazis' ideals? LMAO!

The Nazi's were for ruling Europe as a German national empire. Not for a union. A European Union in the current sense is drastically against the nationalist ideals of the Nazis.

Europe is full of marxists, some openly marxist and some not yet they conform to marxist ideology. (Look up the Frankfurt School and its aims.) in the UK Labour's new leader Ed Miliband is not only a marxist but his grandfather is a mass murdering marxist whose job was to kill any dissenters opposed to communism. Not that you have to pick him out since most of the establishment politicians, at least the high profile ones, are marxists or at least conform to marxist ideology as I said before.

... Do you even know what a Marxist is? Ed  Milliband isn't one. Claiming that he is is quite plainly wrong. His father was indeed a Marxist intellectual but Ed's politics are a far cry from his father. Most Marxists would refuse to support the labour party, its views are very different to Marxism.

It's not my problem that you've never heard the EU called the EUSSR before. Go and type EUSSR in a search engine yourself, you'll find plenty of examples, I'm not going to bother to do it for you.

I'll find plenty of people using the term EUSSR to talk down about the EU. These are not proof that there was any serious idea of an EU, USSR union. The entire thing doesn't make sense given how much of the EU is and was in NATO.

The periferal MEPs are elected, not the people who actually have power. Or did my voting form for everybody except the periferal MEPs get lost in the post?

The majority of the power is in the hands of the heads of states or government of the constituent nations and in the hands of MEPs. Both of these are in some way directly elected by the people.

Countries didn't agree to be in the EU, at least not all of them, here in the UK for instance we never had a referendum, plus the governments of sovereign nations don't have the right to hand over power to a foreign organisation. The EU is illegal, it's as simple as that.

The government that was elected to represent you did agree to be in the EU. Therefore your country agreed to be in the EU.

The rights of a sovereign nation are defined by the constitution of that nation and can include the right to hand over aspects of sovereignity to a foreign or multinational organisation (or else things like the ICC, the UN or the WHO would never really work). If it is illegal it is a matter for the judiciary of that nation to decide, I believe the highest courts of the constituent nations have decided that being in the EU is legal.

Yes, I do know the general meaning of fascism (although it's never had a fixed meaning, it started of as just meaning powerful I believe) it includes totalitarian control which is what the EU want. It also includes that unjust control through force. Now you'll probably point to giving criminals (including terrorists) and illegal immigrants all kinds unfair rights as not being fascist but you're wrong because it's done to destablise society and restrict innocent people's rights. It's all part of marxist control and marxist control is fascism. The police are politicised and assault and even kill inocent people. Fascism! Anti-NWO parties all over Europe are constantly attacked verbally, (il)legally and even physically by the establishment. FASCISM!!!

'-_- Seriously. Facism is an extremely nationalist idealogy. The organisations closest to facism in idealogy are the members of the member parties of Europe of Freedom and Democracy. These parties are Eurosceptics which is what you would expect of nationalist parties.

If you're sick and tired of bullshit then stop producing it, DUH!




And who were the primary countries of the European Coal And Steel Community? France and GERMANY! You're not looking at the big picture though.

Ed Miliband is a marxist, he was Climate Change Secretary for fuck's sake, LMAO! Political correctness is a product of marxism and he's hardly been the most politically incorrect politician has he? Also George Bernard Shaw was one of the founders of The Labour Party and he supported Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini. Labour have always had that ideology running through the party. Many if not most (or all?) of those in high positions are communists and some were actually in the official Communist Party before joining Labour.

You didn't say you wanted proof that the EU was going to become the EUSSR you just said you hadn't heard it called that before. If you want proof then Vladimir Bukovsky wouldn't be a bad place to start.

If the power was in the heads of nations then why are we told that we have to accept a law because it's European Law? Actually you're right, the power is with our leaders in the sense that they have every legal right to refuse EU laws and leave the EU altogether but they won't do that because they're all in on it. Maybe what i should have said was that the power of the EU that our leaders claim we have to obey is a group of unelected people. Have you ever voted for Herman Van Rompuy or know anyone who has for example? (Unless you're a member of the Bilderberg Group, who selected him, then I'm going to assume the answer is "no". By the way, the Bilderberg Group was also started by the Nazis.)

According to the Magna Carta (I'm pretty sure it's the Magna Carta) NOBODY has the right to hand over any power to a foreign power. (I'm talking about Britain, maybe other countries have different laws.)

Fascism isn't nationalism, only communists claim that. (Mainly because the loony lefties want to distance themselves from THEIR Hitler. Yes, Hitler was left-wing and nazism is based on marxism although I hate all the stupid left and right wing stuff really, I prefer simply right and wrong! Don't forget that Hitler and Stalin were partners until 1941 when Hitler stabbed Stalin in the back by invading Russia.)



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nobodyspecial said:

Only people who have absolutely no knowledge of it and total retards don't believe in the NWO. For a start why don't you find all the instances where leaders talk about the New World Order and global governance? (ie. One world government.) It goes back a lot further than George Bush Snr though.

If you don't believe in the NWO then you must also think that the EU (the European arm of the NWO) is simply a figment of people's imagination, right? What is now known as the EU was created by the Nazis (documented fact), is being completed by marxists (also plenty of documented evidence) and was originally supposed to have been combined with the USSR to become the EUSSR but the USSR collapsed before that could happen. (Although it's still often nicknamed the EUSSR.) The people in charge of the EU are unelected, only the peripheral MEPs are elected but they have very little power. (Unless they all voted against the EU's laws which is unlikely since most of them are from NWO controlled parties and happily vote for the EU's laws, but even if they all voted against them they'd probably be overruled by those unelected politicians at the head of the EU like the UK government can use and has used the Parliament Act to overrule the House Of Lords.) The EU demands that all its member countries implement its laws even if they contradict those countries laws. (In which case EU law overrules national law.)

So, we have an illegal organisation (it's illegal for any foreign power to take power from sovereign nations unless they've been conquered in war and even then the people could fight to take power back) called the EU that is unelected (where it matters, including the Presidents, I say Presidents because there's the President Of The European Commission and the President Of The European Council and neither are elected by the public) yet is in control of most of Europe and intends to be in complete, total control of all of Europe which is what will happen if it's not fought. That is undisputable and admitted fact. So, if it's fact that an unelected and increasingly fascist totalitarian organisation is taking control of an entire continent of the Earth then why do you NWO DENIERS (yes, we can use the word too and by the way the whole "man-made climate change" crap is part of the NWO's plan) disbelieve that the same is planned for the entire world by the "elite" who are collectively known as the NWO? The evidence is overwhelming and unless you all (or at best all your children) want to be NWO slaves you should fight the NWO whenever you can and vote for anti-NWO parties!

By the way, if you're from the USA then you should learn about the NAU (North American Union) which is sort of like an American version of the EU, they're planning to combine Canada, USA and Mexico to create the NAU and like most EU countries have now replaced their national currency with the Euro the NAU's currency is planned to be called the Amero. If you're from the UK then join The British Resistance: http://thebritishresistance.co.uk

Not just one NWO.  There are two NWOs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIrcjgj1rRE

Hulk Hogan wanted to monopolize the heavyweight title for himself, so Kevin Nash broke away with Macho Man and Konan they recruited Sting. 

Good times, it really wasn't till they reunited that the NWO got old.

bWo was kinda like theNWO too... DX, LWO.  They really started something.



nobodyspecial said:
Rath said:




And who were the primary countries of the European Coal And Steel Community? France and GERMANY! You're not looking at the big picture though.

Germany is a power in Europe. They don't rule Europe though which is the only way Hitler would of had it.

Ed Miliband is a marxist, he was Climate Change Secretary for fuck's sake, LMAO! Political correctness is a product of marxism and he's hardly been the most politically incorrect politician has he? Also George Bernard Shaw was one of the founders of The Labour Party and he supported Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini. Labour have always had that ideology running through the party. Many if not most (or all?) of those in high positions are communists and some were actually in the official Communist Party before joining Labour.

You clearly do not understand the meaning of Communism or Marxism if you think that Hitler or Mussolini were either.

You didn't say you wanted proof that the EU was going to become the EUSSR you just said you hadn't heard it called that before. If you want proof then Vladimir Bukovsky wouldn't be a bad place to start.

I was kind of hoping for something more than websites using the term to attack the EU for perceieved similarity to the USSR.

If the power was in the heads of nations then why are we told that we have to accept a law because it's European Law? Actually you're right, the power is with our leaders in the sense that they have every legal right to refuse EU laws and leave the EU altogether but they won't do that because they're all in on it. Maybe what i should have said was that the power of the EU that our leaders claim we have to obey is a group of unelected people. Have you ever voted for Herman Van Rompuy or know anyone who has for example? (Unless you're a member of the Bilderberg Group, who selected him, then I'm going to assume the answer is "no". By the way, the Bilderberg Group was also started by the Nazis.)

He was elected by elected officials (the heads of the states of the EU), I agree that is not ideal as it is not a direct election but it's not some sort of shadowy conspiracy like you make it out to be.

According to the Magna Carta (I'm pretty sure it's the Magna Carta) NOBODY has the right to hand over any power to a foreign power. (I'm talking about Britain, maybe other countries have different laws.)

Magna Carta is an important document but has for the most part been repealed by governments over the years. The government has the power to overturn almost any aspect of law.

Fascism isn't nationalism, only communists claim that. (Mainly because the loony lefties want to distance themselves from THEIR Hitler. Yes, Hitler was left-wing and nazism is based on marxism although I hate all the stupid left and right wing stuff really, I prefer simply right and wrong! Don't forget that Hitler and Stalin were partners until 1941 when Hitler stabbed Stalin in the back by invading Russia.)

Hitler and Stalin were 'partners' not out of shared idealogy, but out of a shared desire to avoid war. Fascism does involve nationalism, it's a far right idealogy. I'll post definitions to prove that it is a far right nationalist idealogy if you want.

Merriam Webster -"often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

Britannica - fascism Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state’s authority, and harsh suppression of dissent.

Martial virtues are celebrated, while liberal and democratic values are disparaged. Fascism arose during the 1920s and ’30s partly out of fear of the rising power of the working classes; it differed from contemporary communism (as practiced under Joseph Stalin) by its protection of business and landowning elites and its preservation of class systems

 

Death of the Father - Fascism - a philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, together with an ideology of belligerent nationalism





nobodyspecial said:

Only people who have absolutely no knowledge of it and total retards don't believe in the NWO. For a start why don't you find all the instances where leaders talk about the New World Order and global governance? (ie. One world government.) It goes back a lot further than George Bush Snr though.

If you don't believe in the NWO then you must also think that the EU (the European arm of the NWO) is simply a figment of people's imagination, right? What is now known as the EU was created by the Nazis (documented fact), is being completed by marxists (also plenty of documented evidence) and was originally supposed to have been combined with the USSR to become the EUSSR but the USSR collapsed before that could happen. (Although it's still often nicknamed the EUSSR.) The people in charge of the EU are unelected, only the peripheral MEPs are elected but they have very little power. (Unless they all voted against the EU's laws which is unlikely since most of them are from NWO controlled parties and happily vote for the EU's laws, but even if they all voted against them they'd probably be overruled by those unelected politicians at the head of the EU like the UK government can use and has used the Parliament Act to overrule the House Of Lords.) The EU demands that all its member countries implement its laws even if they contradict those countries laws. (In which case EU law overrules national law.)

So, we have an illegal organisation (it's illegal for any foreign power to take power from sovereign nations unless they've been conquered in war and even then the people could fight to take power back) called the EU that is unelected (where it matters, including the Presidents, I say Presidents because there's the President Of The European Commission and the President Of The European Council and neither are elected by the public) yet is in control of most of Europe and intends to be in complete, total control of all of Europe which is what will happen if it's not fought. That is undisputable and admitted fact. So, if it's fact that an unelected and increasingly fascist totalitarian organisation is taking control of an entire continent of the Earth then why do you NWO DENIERS (yes, we can use the word too and by the way the whole "man-made climate change" crap is part of the NWO's plan) disbelieve that the same is planned for the entire world by the "elite" who are collectively known as the NWO? The evidence is overwhelming and unless you all (or at best all your children) want to be NWO slaves you should fight the NWO whenever you can and vote for anti-NWO parties!

By the way, if you're from the USA then you should learn about the NAU (North American Union) which is sort of like an American version of the EU, they're planning to combine Canada, USA and Mexico to create the NAU and like most EU countries have now replaced their national currency with the Euro the NAU's currency is planned to be called the Amero. If you're from the UK then join The British Resistance: http://thebritishresistance.co.uk

Oh hell... I mostly laugh at these conspiracy theories but this was just too much... where to start?

The EU wasn't created by the Nazis. Show me where this is a documented fact? The EU started with the European Steal and Coal Community. This didn't happen because of some New World Order dreams - Europe had been shattered by 2 World Wars. Tens of millions of people had died. Europe was divided between east and west! European integration started to increase faith in each other and to prevent peace.

The rest of your post is just as stupid. Marxist states? What? People in Eastern Europe went to the street and demonstrated to bring communism to fall! They fought for freedom and their rights! You are discrediting the millions of people who peacefully brought democracy to all of Europe for the first time in history!

The EU isn't a prefect democracy yet but why do you think that is? Because of a worldwide conspiracy? Europe is in the process of growing together in a way it never happened in history! Of course that is going to cause problems.

And why is it that the European states just one year ago signed the treaty of Lisbon? Ever heard of that? It gives the parliament more power not less. There goes that theory.

I'll tell you something: A united Europe with free people and without nationalism is the single best thing that could ever happen to the Europeans. Because the one thing that is truly made up is nationalism. Prior to the first World War the borders of European languages weren't as sharp as they are today. I live in southwest Germany right next to the french border, where people call a footway a "Trottoir" and greet each other with a germanized version of the word "salut". Before the wars it was common for languages to slowly transform into each other from south to north and east to west.

I don't care about your conspiracy theories. Believe what you want to believe. But don't ever discredit what humans achieve when they are able to overcome their prejudices and are brave enough to trust each other.



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And who were the primary countries of the European Coal And Steel Community? France and GERMANY! You're not looking at the big picture though.

Germany is a power in Europe. They don't rule Europe though which is the only way Hitler would of had it.

Ed Miliband is a marxist, he was Climate Change Secretary for fuck's sake, LMAO! Political correctness is a product of marxism and he's hardly been the most politically incorrect politician has he? Also George Bernard Shaw was one of the founders of The Labour Party and he supported Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini. Labour have always had that ideology running through the party. Many if not most (or all?) of those in high positions are communists and some were actually in the official Communist Party before joining Labour.

You clearly do not understand the meaning of Communism or Marxism if you think that Hitler or Mussolini were either.

You didn't say you wanted proof that the EU was going to become the EUSSR you just said you hadn't heard it called that before. If you want proof then Vladimir Bukovsky wouldn't be a bad place to start.

I was kind of hoping for something more than websites using the term to attack the EU for perceieved similarity to the USSR.

If the power was in the heads of nations then why are we told that we have to accept a law because it's European Law? Actually you're right, the power is with our leaders in the sense that they have every legal right to refuse EU laws and leave the EU altogether but they won't do that because they're all in on it. Maybe what i should have said was that the power of the EU that our leaders claim we have to obey is a group of unelected people. Have you ever voted for Herman Van Rompuy or know anyone who has for example? (Unless you're a member of the Bilderberg Group, who selected him, then I'm going to assume the answer is "no". By the way, the Bilderberg Group was also started by the Nazis.)

He was elected by elected officials (the heads of the states of the EU), I agree that is not ideal as it is not a direct election but it's not some sort of shadowy conspiracy like you make it out to be.

According to the Magna Carta (I'm pretty sure it's the Magna Carta) NOBODY has the right to hand over any power to a foreign power. (I'm talking about Britain, maybe other countries have different laws.)

Magna Carta is an important document but has for the most part been repealed by governments over the years. The government has the power to overturn almost any aspect of law.

Fascism isn't nationalism, only communists claim that. (Mainly because the loony lefties want to distance themselves from THEIR Hitler. Yes, Hitler was left-wing and nazism is based on marxism although I hate all the stupid left and right wing stuff really, I prefer simply right and wrong! Don't forget that Hitler and Stalin were partners until 1941 when Hitler stabbed Stalin in the back by invading Russia.)

Hitler and Stalin were 'partners' not out of shared idealogy, but out of a shared desire to avoid war. Fascism does involve nationalism, it's a far right idealogy. I'll post definitions to prove that it is a far right nationalist idealogy if you want.

Merriam Webster -"often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

Britannica - fascism Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state’s authority, and harsh suppression of dissent.

Martial virtues are celebrated, while liberal and democratic values are disparaged. Fascism arose during the 1920s and ’30s partly out of fear of the rising power of the working classes; it differed from contemporary communism (as practiced under Joseph Stalin) by its protection of business and landowning elites and its preservation of class systems

 

Death of the Father - Fascism - a philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, together with an ideology of belligerent nationalism



Maybe ruled by Germany is the ideal way Hitler would have liked it but at the end of the day I'm sure Hitler wanted global domination any way he could get it. Plus he's just one man, what about the rest of the Nazis and the other psychos who were all a part of the overall NWO ideology? Like I said, you're not looking at the big picture.

I don't know about Mussolini (he's not really talked about all that much) but Hitler based nazism on marxism and it's very close to communism. This is a known fact and I think Hitler and/or Stalin even said (prior to 1941 no doubt) that communism and nazism were very close. Nazism isn't nationalism it's national SOCIALISM.

It's your problem if you won't do a little research not mine, I'm not doing it for you.

For a start I don't think Herman Van Rompuy was elected by elected heads of states (I'm sure the Kinnocks were involved and Neil Kinnock hasn't been Labour leader for 18 years!) but even if he was that isn't good enough, he should be directly elected by the public. (Even that's not good enough really because the EU shouldn't even exist!) Also, when the current big parties are thoroughly infested and controlled by the NWO it doesn't really matter if elected politicians are involved with electing EU politicians or not does it? Personally when it comes to governments I'd ultimately prefer total direct democracy, the only true democracy.

The government is supposed to work for the people and respect things like common law. Are you one of those people who think the US government should tear up the constitution? Maybe you think it's perfectly right for governments to kill any dissenters? I mean I know that's supposed to be against the law but the government can just ignore old laws and make up any laws they want regardless of the will of the people, right?

If Hitler and Stalin partnered up to avoid war then why did they invade Poland together? And no doubt those definitions you posted are biased definitions, lol! Well, some aspects of them are right like "democratic values are disparaged" and "a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition" which describes the EU and establishment parties that do all their best (including control of the mainstream media) to prevent true opposition parties from communicating to the public. Actually the Britannica definition is pretty much true if short: "Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state’s authority, and harsh suppression of dissent." The part that says "stresses the primacy and glory of the state" doesn't mean nationalism because for a start "state" doesn't necessarily mean country, the EU is (or at least wants to be) "the state". Nationalism is just the politics of being proud of, taking care of and defending your country and its people, it has nothing to do with fascism. For example the BNP is a nationalist party and it advocates freedom of speech, expression and association, pulling out of the EU, far less (unneeded and unwanted) laws and bureaucracy and at least more (if not total) direct democracy like Switzerland. How is that fascist for example? Compare that to current and former British governments who introduced (and the current government is upholding) loads of politically correct (marxist) laws, given something like 75% of the power over our country to the EU and made our country a virtual police state with police arresting and attacking not only many dissenters (especially if they say or do anything deemed politically incorrect) but also people like photographers for taking pictures of, for example, sunsets and attacking and even killing innocent people! Also they use a basically terrorist group called the UAF (ridiculously standing for Unite Against Fascism, total 1984 style doublespeak) to verbally and physically assault opposition parties and dissenting members of the public. Don't you think that's fascism? By the way fascism wasn't invented in the 20s, the word (let alone the ideology) has been around a lot longer and like I said I think its very first meaning meant simply powerful. I don't really want to argue with NWO apologists because they're either evil or totally brainwashed.



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And who were the primary countries of the European Coal And Steel Community? France and GERMANY! You're not looking at the big picture though.

Ed Miliband is a marxist, he was Climate Change Secretary for fuck's sake, LMAO! Political correctness is a product of marxism and he's hardly been the most politically incorrect politician has he? Also George Bernard Shaw was one of the founders of The Labour Party and he supported Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini. Labour have always had that ideology running through the party. Many if not most (or all?) of those in high positions are communists and some were actually in the official Communist Party before joining Labour.

You didn't say you wanted proof that the EU was going to become the EUSSR you just said you hadn't heard it called that before. If you want proof then Vladimir Bukovsky wouldn't be a bad place to start.

If the power was in the heads of nations then why are we told that we have to accept a law because it's European Law? Actually you're right, the power is with our leaders in the sense that they have every legal right to refuse EU laws and leave the EU altogether but they won't do that because they're all in on it. Maybe what i should have said was that the power of the EU that our leaders claim we have to obey is a group of unelected people. Have you ever voted for Herman Van Rompuy or know anyone who has for example? (Unless you're a member of the Bilderberg Group, who selected him, then I'm going to assume the answer is "no". By the way, the Bilderberg Group was also started by the Nazis.)

According to the Magna Carta (I'm pretty sure it's the Magna Carta) NOBODY has the right to hand over any power to a foreign power. (I'm talking about Britain, maybe other countries have different laws.)

Fascism isn't nationalism, only communists claim that. (Mainly because the loony lefties want to distance themselves from THEIR Hitler. Yes, Hitler was left-wing and nazism is based on marxism although I hate all the stupid left and right wing stuff really, I prefer simply right and wrong! Don't forget that Hitler and Stalin were partners until 1941 when Hitler stabbed Stalin in the back by invading Russia.)

That's calling Dutch royal family nazis and I protest. Even if they're of German blood.