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Ajescent on 30 September 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
Ajescent said:
mortono said:

My assumption is that 3rd parties, as well as the industry as a whole, has a serious grudge against Nintendo and would like to see them go out of business


I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on the grounds that Nintendo is widely respected.


Respected doesn't preclude resentment, and that respect can be in one direction, while dismissal can come in another.


So, in conclusion people believe that companys like Namco, Sega, SE and so on are secretly wishing that Nintendo vanishes off the face off the earth...? waaa....? Why?

My point of reference is the fact that the 3ds is getting obscene amount of support. My assumption why Nintendo consoles don't get much 3rd party success is the fans, instead of giving 3rd party games a chance, they only buy anything that's from Nintendo.

My best friend, she bought a Wii only because she wanted to play Animal Crossing and Mario Kart. I tried to convince her to buy other games but she isn't interested, the only thing that got her attention now is the announcement of a new Donkey Kong and not to stereotype but I think she's representative of many Nintendo console owners.

Who in their right mind would wish death on Nintendo when you can make a truely great game and advertise it well and get a slice of that 75mil goodness?

Point of reference? Ubisoft and those blasted Imagine games, it's pure shit on a stick but rakes in loads for Ubisoft, are we suggesting they too are wishing death upon Nintendo? I call BS.



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LordTheNightKnight on 30 September 2010

"So, in conclusion people believe that companys like Namco, Sega, SE and so on are secretly wishing that Nintendo vanishes off the face off the earth...? waaa....? Why?"

There are others that are more clearly trying to put down Nintendo, like Take Two.



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Ajescent on 30 September 2010

A company does not an industry make.



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IMU1808 on 30 September 2010

3DS and the next Nintendo system will probably be well off with 3rd party support. I just wanted to point out something;

"when the 'N6' comes out, 3rd parties must be aware it´ll (probably) carry over 'the Wii effect',"

Gotta make sure you highlight the important. Remember the Playstation Triple.



LordTheNightKnight on 30 September 2010
Ajescent said:

A company does not an industry make.


"others... like Take Two" clearly means it's not the only one. They are just the most blatant.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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Ajescent on 30 September 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
Ajescent said:

A company does not an industry make.


"others... like Take Two" clearly means it's not the only one. They are just the most blatant.



I admit I'm not as up on Nintendo news as I ought to be but I'm still arguing if it's more than one, it's still not a reflection on the entire industry, the fact I highlighted Capcom, Namco, Ubisoft and SE proves my point



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LordTheNightKnight on 30 September 2010
Ajescent said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Ajescent said:

A company does not an industry make.


"others... like Take Two" clearly means it's not the only one. They are just the most blatant.



I admit I'm not as up on Nintendo news as I ought to be but I'm still arguing if it's more than one, it's still not a reflection on the entire industry, the fact I highlighted Capcom, Namco, Ubisoft and SE proves my point


Okay, those that claimed it's all companies are wrong.

But many would at least like the Wii to go away, and Nintendo make a clone of the HD systems so they can make larger profit margins on their HD games.

Because the thought of using the Wii as a basis for their games (HD versions would still have better graphics), thereby making the cost of the games lower, just doesn't occur to them (scale isn't much of an excuse, since that applies mainly to games like Dead Rising).



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Ajescent on 30 September 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
Ajescent said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Ajescent said:

A company does not an industry make.


"others... like Take Two" clearly means it's not the only one. They are just the most blatant.



I admit I'm not as up on Nintendo news as I ought to be but I'm still arguing if it's more than one, it's still not a reflection on the entire industry, the fact I highlighted Capcom, Namco, Ubisoft and SE proves my point


Okay, those that claimed it's all companies are wrong.

But many would at least like the Wii to go away, and Nintendo make a clone of the HD systems so they can make larger profit margins on their HD games.

Because the thought of using the Wii as a basis for their games (HD versions would still have better graphics), thereby making the cost of the games lower, just doesn't occur to them (scale isn't much of an excuse, since that applies mainly to games like Dead Rising).


That I can agree with, Activision comes to mind especially when it comes to COD



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okr on 30 September 2010

I'll never understand why people are always and forever discussing 3rd party support on Nintendo systems.

I for one don't care and I take any system for what it is and what it has to offer.

Even if only Nintendo games would be released on Nintendo systems, I'd most probably buy the system unless I get tired of franchise repetition (and no, I'm not a fanboy, I come from PC gaming and the GameCube was my first console).

By the way: I more and more doubt that most of the people who discuss this topic on forums (i.e. the "core" gamers) - and I don't only mean this thread - would buy more 3rd party games on a Nintendo console even if they were more content with 3rd party support,
e.g.
- F1 2009 on Wi: 700.000 copies LTD - not bad, but F1 2010 on PS3/360 sold 420.000 copies in week one in Europe alone
- Silent Hill: Shattered Memories: 280.000 copies (Wii), Red Steel 2: 290.000 copies, No More Heroes 2: 180.000 copies

Also: As ususal in these threads Wiiware 3rd party support is completely ignored (World of Goo, Lost Winds, Cave Story, NyxQuest, Castlevania Rebirth, Contra Rebirth, Mega Man 9/10, Tales of Monkey Island, Tetris Party, Art of Balance, Jett Rocket, Final Fantasy CC...).

How many of the people who complain about missing 3rd party suppprt will for example ever take notice of this game: http://fast.shinen.com/ - let alone buy it. FAST Racing League was just announced, but once it's released and once we (hopefully) get some sales figures it will provide another interesting answer to the evergreen question "do core Wii owners even buy the games they always demand?"



mortono on 01 October 2010
Ajescent said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Ajescent said:
mortono said:

My assumption is that 3rd parties, as well as the industry as a whole, has a serious grudge against Nintendo and would like to see them go out of business


I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on the grounds that Nintendo is widely respected.


Respected doesn't preclude resentment, and that respect can be in one direction, while dismissal can come in another.


So, in conclusion people believe that companys like Namco, Sega, SE and so on are secretly wishing that Nintendo vanishes off the face off the earth...? waaa....? Why?

It's called "competition". For instance, Microsoft wants Apple off the face of the earth.

This is a basic principle of business: less competition equals better business. Nintendo is one of the biggest competitors both in terms of software and hardware. Their elimination would be a huge success for 3rd parties and console developers alike.