I have no doubt that the game will be much better because it is delayed, but the point is, I was VERY excited about the game a few years ago, but the time has caused me to become less entheused and jaded, just like the wait for FFXIII did, to a certain extent.

Yes, I would rather have a great game loaded with extra content. Obviously. However, that is why I am not as excited about it now, because of the "delays" or whatever.

Then don't buy it. Your bitching and griping won't change anything, regardless.

yeah i understand. you can't be excited for too long:) Are you still getting the game though?

I don't care, it is my perception, and the perception of many many gamers that GT5 was delayed enough times to piss me right off. I don't give a shit if the game was "technically" delayed, that is just an argument you make when you defend something. We all know that this game has pissed a lot of people off with its delays(or whatever you feel like calling them). That's what I'm talking about.

Considering where the Prologue sits, I don't think it'll have much trouble "proving" anything. And, the extra GT5:P sales are from downloads, which VGC doesn't track.

GTA and GT have plenty of differences, so there aren't any excuses. The situations of the PS3 & GT5 in 2010 and GTA IV & PS3 of 2008 are already enough of a difference. Nevermind that GT is exclusive and has a Prologue that sold better than many games on the market.

9-10 mill doesn't sound ridiculous at all, not in regards to Gran Turismo. Plus, unless of course you're also calling ioi's prediction ridiculous as well, he too calls for 9-10 mill for GT5. Pay attention to the series and you'll understand where the predictions come from. Then again, many people like you didn't in regards to plenty of other franchises that served plates of crow, so I'll let the numbers do the talking when they come in.

Mario Kart is selling to casual Wii owners .... we are talking about HD gaming, right ?

So, yes, welcome to the FPS era !

Thats way too low >_>;

you guys don't know how popular this game is outside of USA.

Well, agree to disagree. I just think you don't understand how this franchise performs, but you will in due time.

You missed the point. Gran Turismo isn't a franchise that's hindered by the "FPS era", or the Prologue wouldn't be the highest selling exclusive on the PS3. The only franchise on PS3 that's an FPS with large numbers is Call of Duty. For an entire era, that's not that many games, at least on PS3 (3 at best).

Besides, the PlayStation crew have already proven that they will buy outside of the "FPS era". How many people doubted games like God of War III, MGS4, HEAVY RAIN, LittleBIGPlanet, Uncharted 2, etc?  They said none of those would sell for the same reasons. Look what happened:

- MGS4 is currently the 3rd best selling MGS title of all time, even passing MGS3 on PS2.

- God of War III will end up being the best selling God of War game of all time, and maybe even the best selling title in it's genre. It was supposed to just "crawl" to 2.5mill.

- Uncharted 2 sits comfortably above 3.5 mill, while some said it wouldn't even clear 2 mill, it'll clear 4-5 mill.

- LittleBIGPlanet sits comfortably above 3 mill and will likely cross 4 mill. Yes, some overestimated what this one would do, but the number that doubted it FAR exceeded any irrational high point.

- HEAVY RAIN (this is where my biggest chuckles come from) - some (you included) said it would struggle to do 500,000 in it's lifetime because: "it's too different", "it's on PS3", it's the "FPS era", yada, yada, yada. The game has quieted so many doubters it's comical for it's supporters, who believed all along in it's success, to watch it.

Of course games like Gran Turismo don't have the "disadvantage" of being too different, but that's irrelevant. Point is, aren't some of these predictions of "because it's on PS3" the same ol' songs sung a billion times over, especially citing how the "FPS era" now means other games won't sell as good? Enough games have already shunned the notion, and they aren't even as big as Gran Turismo. 

Edit: How about some irony for you - Killzone 2 (a title that enjoyed the advantage of the "FPS era") is far behind MGS, God of War, Uncharted, & LittleBIGPlanet in numbers. For that era to be so important, why didn't this FPS keep up with those games? We know it's not a sub-par quality title. We know it offers multiplayer. We know PS fans enjoyed it, so what happened? I'll tell you, it's not always about the FPS for people to buy it, especially on the PlayStation.