Homer_Simpson said:
Kantor said:
Homer_Simpson said:
Kantor said:
The UK accepts all refugees from anywhere, be they gay, straight, bisexual, or anything in between. Hell, they'll even give you benefits so you don't have to work. WARNING: Accept these benefits, and everyone will hate you.
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I don't hate refugees who need benefits...don't know why anyone would...
I think its good that we accept these people and give them food and shelter, shows compassion for our fellow human beings.
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They should be allowed into the country and given provision to work.
Not given free housing, free medical care, and free pretty much everything when these luxuries aren't extended to British citizens.
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and if they are children? you gonna start child labour camps for refugees purely because they werent born here?
not to mention that you cant just say "oy refugee, fuck off and get a job", really isnt that simple, there arent that many jobs atm for a start...
and if you need them in the UK you can get housing benefit, the NHS is free to access for everyone...
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You're deliberately misunderstanding me.
Firstly, how many children are going to run away from war-torn countries and come to Britain?
Secondly, children have to be in school by law. This is applied to everyone in the country. I have no issue with this whatsoever. Indeed, I think schooling should be compulsory until 18.
Thirdly, a British or non-British legally residential adult in Britain is expected to work. Therefore, a refugee or legal or illegal immigrant should also be expected to work. And yes, I have just as much of an issue with British citizens who are able to work, but don't.
Fourthly, there are plenty of jobs. Refugees probably aren't looking for jobs as managing directors of London banks. Beggars can't be choosers, as the saying goes.
Housing benefit absolutely should exist. It should be available to all people who put in a hard day's work and don't get back enough to provide for themselves and their families.
Oh, and the NHS isn't free in any way, shape or form. Just because you don't pay for your surgery, medicine and doctoral visits doesn't mean you're not paying for the NHS. Everyone who works pays for the NHS in tax.
So, to sum up my views:
- We have no great responsibility to accept refugees. When it boils down, they are illegal immigrants.
- The above is not to say that we shouldn't accept refugees, only that acepting refugees is an altruism in itself.
- Refugees should not be paid for by the British workforce. Sorry, we're not paying for you to live in this country. You chose to move here.
- A refugee, or indeed any resident, who is working but cannot afford to take care of themselves/their family should be given aid.
- A refugee, or indeed any resident, who can work but refuses work should not be given aid.
- This last bit may sound horrible and BNP-ish. But, a refugee who is unable to work really has no place moving to this country.
I am not against legal immigration. I am not against benefits for those who need them. I am not against even illegal immigration in a time of desperation when the immigrant can contribute something to the country. At the end of the day, this is a country with an enormous deficit, not a huge number of jobs, a lot of mess and a government which refuses to ever change anything. It's no safe haven. We have our own problems.
And on that pleasant note, OP, feel free to move here. But please get a job when you do.