Maybe I am cherry picking, but to me hard drives and case sizes aren't upgrades for the software, they're upgrades for the hardware. But yeah..

Well the unenthusiastic response, unlike the Wii in 2006 (something I noticed the gaming press now likes to pretend they didn't do), show's it's not having the buzz needed.

@lordtheknight  Move aint setting crap on fire, but Kinect is supposed to have crazy buzz, I dont have 360 so I dont follow it too much, thats not the point the point is that I dont think 3rd parties are going to jump on motion all of a sudden when no, not even Ninty has been doing it.

Kinect apparently had viral marketers trying to make buzz. E3 showed that actual gamers were very negative to it.

Agree, although from what I saw around, and reading again, written by presumed common users pretending to not be tied to MS (*), some phrases and even the same greetings I didn't read since the MS-sponsored buzz for Windows 2000 launch and even a lot of still groundless praises about device and SW (that are still unproven and in the realm of future possibilities, just like it took years after launch and 4 Service Packs to W2K and 3 to XP to become goood enough and the 2 best MS OS' ever), I'd say that there's not only viral marketing, but also widespread astroturfing.

About 3rd parties, they just need Move and Kinect to be successful enough, not to beat Wii, as what they'd like are motion control platforms where they don't have to compete with Nintendo.

(*) when instead they wrote using the same style, as if they followed quite mechanically the same basic marketing course

then you should have been making this complaint a year ago when they released the WM , and you should be complaining about the Move and Kinect right now. This controller is nothing new and doesn't force anyone to upgrade past what they already have if they own a WM .

Omitting Rumble (which is now sorta considered a standard in controllers) only to add it 9 months later is milking your customers. Combining the WM accessory into the standard controller isn't because I still have my option to add WM without having to re-buy the whole controller.

Wait... you seem to have changed your argument there. This is about Nintendo releasing a new Wiimote. Which would be a hardware upgrade, as you've said in your post up there in the first quote box. A new console SKU with a larger hard drive and a new skin is also a hardware upgrade.

Software wasn't even being discussed by anyone, yourself included.

While you make a lot of good points, I'm going to have to counter that they don't mean much to me.

Because, first of all, I'm not complaining. For me, I don't have WM , so this is good.

When WM came out, I thought it was a great upgrade and Nintendo said they couldn't put them inside, so whatever, good move.

My observation is that this is typically how nintendo operates. Like the N64 upgrade RAM, etc. And yes I don't like Move or Kinect. I think Move is interesting because I can see the possibilities, but everything about the controllers is just, well, bad IMO.

And yes, rumble missing on the sixaxis was a bad mistake, but at least the truth is a bit hazy because they had a lawsuit on their hands. Maybe it was to resell the controllers, maybe it was the lawsuit, I don't know.

what I'm saying, is that they could've been selling these controllers since a ways back. The controller would've been slightly larger, but whatever, it's better so nobody should care.

WM is required for newer games.

The point I'm making just above is that this upgrade is an upgrade for software. It's a hardware upgrade for the software. Normally in the console community, this doesn't exist. It's more of a PC thing, and should stay that way.

This isn't like a rumble pack, or, a light gun. Those things are irrelevant to accessibility. This is an upgrade of the controller to lay the foundation of what is going to be the future of wii games.

It's like the sega 32X, or the N64 RAM upgrade, with the exception, that these controllers could have been coming out when WM was coming out. My point is that Nintendo leaves things out in order to sell something later down the line. That is pretty typical Nintendo.

They were probably forced to drop rumble because they had lawsuit about rumble patent at the time of the launch. Lawsuit was only settled few moths after PS3 was already launched. Then again, even in that case they lied about reason why sixasis didn't have rumble (it wasn't important, it couldn't be done with motion control etc) so they wouldn't lose too many sales at first.