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GodOfWar_3ever said:
Jadedx said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:

GT is more of a legs franchise....it'll keep selling for a looooooooooooooooong time.

"Halo 3 remains the biggest selling exclusive in emeaa." should be "Halo 3 remains the biggest selling exclusive in emeaa on HD consoles" obviously....


Same can be said for Halo, it's still selling and it came out 3 years ago.

 

True....but the first week to life time ratio of GT4 is far better than Halo 3... So its safe to say that GT has stronger legs....either way, it doesn't matter much what sells more...at the end of the day, they're both big BIG franchises.


Even after Reach was release there are anywhere from 70,000 to 120,000 players online playing H3 at any given time, H2 had an average of about 27,000 people online at any given time right before it became unsuported (6 years, one major, and one minor Halo release later mind you). Also Halo is a FPS,  FPS are the uprising console king (much to some gamer's chagrin), the same cannot be said of the GT franchise, they may have been king at one point in time, but that ship has sailed. Lifetime sales mean nothing with the changing demographics.



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Halo 3 ltd sales NA 2 to  1 over Europe based on existing 

Halo 3 first week sales: NA 3 to 1 over  Europe. Clearly the NA gamers are the biggest Halo fans. 

Halo Reach sales following a similar pattern.

Halo Reach: first week sales NA 3 to 1 over Europe. Ltd sales should be around 2 to 1 in favour of NA over Europe. 

NA is a bigger shooter gamer market than Europe.



Reasonable said:
Michael-5 said:
Reasonable said:
kowenicki said:
Reasonable said:

All this shows is what anyone sensible knew, which was that most Halo gamers already had a 360 and that it was unlikey we'd see a huge jump in sales from Halo 3.  No surprise there.  Anyone thinking Reach was going to see sales growth over Halo 3 in ratio to the 360 user base growth was crazy, frankly.

Actually, I think this is positive for the 360.  It shows it no longer relies on Halo the way the Xbox did and the 360 did early in it's life.  Now the 360 has sold to lots of people who are not interested in Halo, who just see it as a good console for playing the kind of games they like to on, be that Modern Warfare or Assassin's Creed or Mass Effect or whatever.

This is progress for MS.  If the 360, like the Xbox before it, remained locked in as mainly a console to get Halo on it simply wouldn't have seen the sales growth it has.

Reach shows a decent growth of 5% or so and to expect much more would be - well - unreasonable I think.

Nobody thought this. 

BHR tries to intimate this to say reach is a failure... because quite frankly he is trying to downplay the massive sales of the best loved and biggest selling exclusive franchise outiside of the Wii this gen.

Yup.  That's my point.  No one apart from maybe a few die hard fans expected anything more than the sales we've seen - which are of course huge.  I guess it should also be noted that, if a console's install base is growing healthily then the attach rate has to go down vs big sellers released early in a consoles life - again there is nothing unexpected there.

I disagree, I still think Halo: Reach total sales will be 2-3 million more then Halo 3. Having similar opening week sales means that there is the same number of die hard halo fans. However a lot of people buy Halo casually, months, even years after the games release. It's going to have stronger long term sales.

I also don't think you should generalize your opinions. I know many people who expected a modest growth for Halo based on install base.

If it opens roughly the same (which it has) and shows legs (which Halo 3 did and still does) then when exactly is it going to bring in that many more sales?  We'll know soon but I see no reason to believe Reach will show better legs than Halo 3.

Also, given recent annoucements from MS about increasing the speed of release of Halo titles Reach might find itself facing a new Halo much earlier than Halo 3, which would likely harm it's legs vs Halo 3.

Well Halo: Reach had similar week one sales with Halo 3, do you honestly beleive that over the course of the next 3 years, that it will sell exactly the same was as Halo 3 did? The market was very different in 2007 then it is now, and Halo is one of the best rated exclusives of 2010. It's got a lot of hype with casual gamers, and now that there is a larger install base, it has the potential to sell better then Halo 3. Week one sales are generally due to hardcore gamers, and as Reach numbers show, there are not too many more of them, but there are a lot more potential buyers for Reach then there were for Halo 3.

There is no real reason to beleive Reach will show stronger legs then Halo 3, but there is also no real reason to beleive Reach won't show stronger legs then Halo 3. The only thing that can really be certain is that Reach will most likely outsell Halo 3 by at least 500k. I think 2 million, but only time will tell.

As for a new Halo, Halo 4 could very well be a launch title for a successor console. We just don't know anything about it. However I doub't 343 Studios will make a spin-off to cut sales like ODST did to Halo 3. They will most likely build a new game from the bottom up.



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Hyruken said:

Sorry i am slightly confused now. If it had nothing to do with Gt5 vs Halo reach why did the OP say

" Ive been making a few threads here on VGCharts about GT5 vs Reach LTD, HW boost from SW launch, and GT5s 1st weeks sales.  In those threads i noticed a clear pattern emerged a lot of VGCharts posters seemed to favor Halo Reach, I've been also getting PMs and wall posts saying "BHR-3 hang up your jacket GT5s done stop comparing it to Reach it will never out do it", "Reach is the FPS game of the century and the most wanted FPS of 2010 if you werent such a Sony fan you would see this", and "BHR-3 havent you've seen how big the 360s userbase has gotten since Halo 3 you'd be foolish not to think that Reach wont double its 1st week"."

That is a pretty big paragraph which to me is talking about GT5 and Halo. Hence why i wrote what i wrote.

Maybe i understood it wrong, but if it wasen't about that why mention it?

and the very next line....

"Now i dont want to turn this thread into a reach vs gt5 thing the thread is more about me "continuing my work" and is just a statistical point for future events that are almost upon us, and since reach numbers came out i thought some would want to see how the Halo series has grown and how reach stacked up against Halo 3s 1st week release years ago.  Yeah yeah i know no JP numbers but there not out yet for Reach and i dont think they would play much role. "



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AnthonyW86 said:
Michael-5 said:
Hyruken said:
CGI-Quality said:
Hyruken said:

The problem with the GT5 and Halo comparison is that the rules by which they can be compared constantly changes. The Sony fans normally make some claim and then back away from it. Like we all remember the GT5 will sell more then Reach first week comments a year ago. That then changed to lifetime and so on.

Now GT5 will be the top selling PS3 exclusive. I don't think anyone can deny that. It will go on to have very good sales. But will it have Halo Reach sales? To put some sort of perspective on it Reach just did 4m in 5 days on sale. It will probably do at least another 1m next week making it 5m in 12 days. The top selling PS3 exclusive is MGS4 with 4.9m. Meaning Reach just outsold the biggest exclusive on PS3 in just under 2 weeks.

For Reach to do that it has to sell big in emeaa and in americas. If you look at the Reach numbers in EMEAA your see it sold just as many as GT4 did in it's first week. Meaning the whole "EMEAA doesn't like Halo" thing is not true. Halo 3 remains the biggest selling exclusive in emeaa.

The main defence of GT5 doing Halo numbers is the whole EMEAA will make up the difference thing. But will it really? If you look at GT4 numbers your see that EMEAA did 1m, 800k in americas and 700k in Japan. So let's assume GT5 does better and sells 1m in US, 800k in Japan that is 1.8m. Do you really think EMEAA is going to do double what GT4 did with half the console GT4 had to sell to? and do say 2.2m? Because that is what it will have to do and that is unrealistic.

I don't recall anyone claiming GT5 would sell more than Reach in the first week. It's always been a lifetime argument.

Comparing GT with MGS is also off, as GT clearly will outsell it on the basis of brand alone.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=112124 (people saying it will outsell Halo 3/Reach sales, first post say's 5m first week). If you also follow the link in there to the orgional thread your see lot's of people basically say the same thing. SO while you say "nobody said that", what you really mean is "most normal people didn't say it".

MGS4 is the top selling PS3 exclusive. It is all well and good talking about stuff that happened almost 10 years ago but you can only really compare against the here and now. And because of that you can only compare MGS4 to GT5 as that is the top game currently THIS GEN that is exclusive to the PS3. As i said GT5 will outsell that.

Also i should of mentioned that Halo 3 outsold GT4, so doesn't that show it has legs too?

Why are we talking about GT now?

My opinion, your right about Halo: Reach it's going to outsell GT5 lifetime.

If you compare GT4 Prologue sales in Japan with GT5 prologue sales, GT4P sold 0.79 million units in the single year before GT4 came out, GT5P sold 0.57 million units in almost 2 years, and GT5 still isn't out.

Halo has legs, bigs ones in Noth America, smaller ones in EMEAA. Week one sales have always been strong for the Halo franchise, but GT has been known to sell strongly over time (look at GT3).

Regardless this thread is not about GT, and Halo Reach, despite having a 1st week sales lower then many expected, will probably still outsell Halo 3 by 2-3 million.

P.S. People did originally say GT5 will outsell Halo: Reach 1st week, it then became a total arguement..

GT5: Prologue has sold 3.87 million so far... and again i think will should atleast wait for the next two weeks to even get a glimpse off wether Halo: Reach will have the same legs as Halo 3 or not.

Read the bold, I'm compareing Japanese sales figues since GT4P was basically not released outside of Japan.



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Michael-5 said:
Hyruken said:

Sorry i am slightly confused now. If it had nothing to do with Gt5 vs Halo reach why did the OP say

" Ive been making a few threads here on VGCharts about GT5 vs Reach LTD, HW boost from SW launch, and GT5s 1st weeks sales.  In those threads i noticed a clear pattern emerged a lot of VGCharts posters seemed to favor Halo Reach, I've been also getting PMs and wall posts saying "BHR-3 hang up your jacket GT5s done stop comparing it to Reach it will never out do it", "Reach is the FPS game of the century and the most wanted FPS of 2010 if you werent such a Sony fan you would see this", and "BHR-3 havent you've seen how big the 360s userbase has gotten since Halo 3 you'd be foolish not to think that Reach wont double its 1st week"."

That is a pretty big paragraph which to me is talking about GT5 and Halo. Hence why i wrote what i wrote.

Maybe i understood it wrong, but if it wasen't about that why mention it?

and the very next line....

"Now i dont want to turn this thread into a reach vs gt5 thing the thread is more about me "continuing my work" and is just a statistical point for future events that are almost upon us, and since reach numbers came out i thought some would want to see how the Halo series has grown and how reach stacked up against Halo 3s 1st week release years ago.  Yeah yeah i know no JP numbers but there not out yet for Reach and i dont think they would play much role. "


Sorry but it doesn't make any sense. If you don't want to have the topic be about comparing it why mention it let alone write 8 lines about it as an introduction to your post? Why mention GT5 at all? I think most people know what he really meant.



Hyruken said:
Michael-5 said:
Hyruken said:

Sorry i am slightly confused now. If it had nothing to do with Gt5 vs Halo reach why did the OP say

" Ive been making a few threads here on VGCharts about GT5 vs Reach LTD, HW boost from SW launch, and GT5s 1st weeks sales.  In those threads i noticed a clear pattern emerged a lot of VGCharts posters seemed to favor Halo Reach, I've been also getting PMs and wall posts saying "BHR-3 hang up your jacket GT5s done stop comparing it to Reach it will never out do it", "Reach is the FPS game of the century and the most wanted FPS of 2010 if you werent such a Sony fan you would see this", and "BHR-3 havent you've seen how big the 360s userbase has gotten since Halo 3 you'd be foolish not to think that Reach wont double its 1st week"."

That is a pretty big paragraph which to me is talking about GT5 and Halo. Hence why i wrote what i wrote.

Maybe i understood it wrong, but if it wasen't about that why mention it?

and the very next line....

"Now i dont want to turn this thread into a reach vs gt5 thing the thread is more about me "continuing my work" and is just a statistical point for future events that are almost upon us, and since reach numbers came out i thought some would want to see how the Halo series has grown and how reach stacked up against Halo 3s 1st week release years ago.  Yeah yeah i know no JP numbers but there not out yet for Reach and i dont think they would play much role. "


Sorry but it doesn't make any sense. If you don't want to have the topic be about comparing it why mention it let alone write 8 lines about it as an introduction to your post? Why mention GT5 at all? I think most people know what he really meant.

I think he just wanted to explain a bit about how people have mixed views on Reach sales, and he used arguements people have had about Reach vs. GT5 as an example. Also he may have just been saying that comparing week 1 sales of Reach to GT5 is stupid, and Halo 3 is a much better game to compare to.

Regardless, it wasn't the point of his initial post.



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Michael-5 said:
Hyruken said:
Michael-5 said:
Hyruken said:

Sorry i am slightly confused now. If it had nothing to do with Gt5 vs Halo reach why did the OP say

" Ive been making a few threads here on VGCharts about GT5 vs Reach LTD, HW boost from SW launch, and GT5s 1st weeks sales.  In those threads i noticed a clear pattern emerged a lot of VGCharts posters seemed to favor Halo Reach, I've been also getting PMs and wall posts saying "BHR-3 hang up your jacket GT5s done stop comparing it to Reach it will never out do it", "Reach is the FPS game of the century and the most wanted FPS of 2010 if you werent such a Sony fan you would see this", and "BHR-3 havent you've seen how big the 360s userbase has gotten since Halo 3 you'd be foolish not to think that Reach wont double its 1st week"."

That is a pretty big paragraph which to me is talking about GT5 and Halo. Hence why i wrote what i wrote.

Maybe i understood it wrong, but if it wasen't about that why mention it?

and the very next line....

"Now i dont want to turn this thread into a reach vs gt5 thing the thread is more about me "continuing my work" and is just a statistical point for future events that are almost upon us, and since reach numbers came out i thought some would want to see how the Halo series has grown and how reach stacked up against Halo 3s 1st week release years ago.  Yeah yeah i know no JP numbers but there not out yet for Reach and i dont think they would play much role. "


Sorry but it doesn't make any sense. If you don't want to have the topic be about comparing it why mention it let alone write 8 lines about it as an introduction to your post? Why mention GT5 at all? I think most people know what he really meant.

I think he just wanted to explain a bit about how people have mixed views on Reach sales, and he used arguements people have had about Reach vs. GT5 as an example. Also he may have just been saying that comparing week 1 sales of Reach to GT5 is stupid, and Halo 3 is a much better game to compare to.

Regardless, it wasn't the point of his initial post.


Sorry mate i don't buy that for a second. If your going to compare two products regardless if they are games,cd's,films or whatever you don't talk randomly about a 3rd product. You just talk about the two you wish to compare. If you mention a 3rd product and talk about it more then the other two your comparing 3 products. I'm with the others on this, there was hidden motives for mentioning it.



Hyruken said:
Michael-5 said:
Hyruken said:
Michael-5 said:
Hyruken said:

Sorry i am slightly confused now. If it had nothing to do with Gt5 vs Halo reach why did the OP say

" Ive been making a few threads here on VGCharts about GT5 vs Reach LTD, HW boost from SW launch, and GT5s 1st weeks sales.  In those threads i noticed a clear pattern emerged a lot of VGCharts posters seemed to favor Halo Reach, I've been also getting PMs and wall posts saying "BHR-3 hang up your jacket GT5s done stop comparing it to Reach it will never out do it", "Reach is the FPS game of the century and the most wanted FPS of 2010 if you werent such a Sony fan you would see this", and "BHR-3 havent you've seen how big the 360s userbase has gotten since Halo 3 you'd be foolish not to think that Reach wont double its 1st week"."

That is a pretty big paragraph which to me is talking about GT5 and Halo. Hence why i wrote what i wrote.

Maybe i understood it wrong, but if it wasen't about that why mention it?

and the very next line....

"Now i dont want to turn this thread into a reach vs gt5 thing the thread is more about me "continuing my work" and is just a statistical point for future events that are almost upon us, and since reach numbers came out i thought some would want to see how the Halo series has grown and how reach stacked up against Halo 3s 1st week release years ago.  Yeah yeah i know no JP numbers but there not out yet for Reach and i dont think they would play much role. "

"And I'm afraid the moon will explode and hurt my dog"


Sorry but it doesn't make any sense. If you don't want to have the topic be about comparing it why mention it let alone write 8 lines about it as an introduction to your post? Why mention GT5 at all? I think most people know what he really meant.

I think he just wanted to explain a bit about how people have mixed views on Reach sales, and he used arguements people have had about Reach vs. GT5 as an example. Also he may have just been saying that comparing week 1 sales of Reach to GT5 is stupid, and Halo 3 is a much better game to compare to.

Regardless, it wasn't the point of his initial post.


Sorry mate i don't buy that for a second. If your going to compare two products regardless if they are games,cd's,films or whatever you don't talk randomly about a 3rd product. You just talk about the two you wish to compare. If you mention a 3rd product and talk about it more then the other two your comparing 3 products. I'm with the others on this, there was hidden motives for mentioning it.

Okay well, no one was talking about GT5 before you came in, and the title of the thread is Halo Reach vs. Halo 3.

Maybe he just wanted to get a point across about GT5 because he is sooo angry at the world, and thinks the moon is about to fall on his dog and crush it. It's be pretty annoyed if the moon were about to fall on my dog and crush it. I'd be so angry, I'd still get a copy of GT5, but I'd get it while I'm angry cause the moon fell on my dog and crushed it. Then I'd play the game, enjoying a nice cold glass of iced tea, and be thinking why did the damn moon have to fall on MY dog on crush it..

Then I'd realize without the moon, the Earth would topple out of it's stable tilt, seasons would change so quickly and drastically, that the human population would dwindle, and people would start eating dogs to avoid starvation. Then I'd be happy my dog wasn't around for that, but still be angry that the moon fell on my dog and cruhed it, and that the world will no longer the the same as it used to be. I'd think that because the moon fell on my dog and crushed it, and thus without my dog, how could the world be the same as it used to be?

He did talk about exploding moons in the original post too didn't he? So I'm not off topic....



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Halo 3 was the game 360 owners waited for, i got my 360 when Bioshock came out which was 1 month before Halo 3. Of course i also got Halo 3 and many other games, it was pretty much the fall of 2007 which made me buy a 360.

Reach while good, it has a strong compeditor named COD which is a bigger franchise now than it was back then. Halo is big though and it will have legs, i still say that by the end of this generation Halo Reach will be the most sold game on the 360, even though it came it short of 1 million on COD MW2. The reason of course being that COD gets updated now, wheres Halo probably has at least 2 years before something new in the Halo franchise happens and its not even Bungie so we don't know how that will turn out.