Reasonable said:
Michael-5 said:
Reasonable said:
kowenicki said:
Reasonable said:
All this shows is what anyone sensible knew, which was that most Halo gamers already had a 360 and that it was unlikey we'd see a huge jump in sales from Halo 3. No surprise there. Anyone thinking Reach was going to see sales growth over Halo 3 in ratio to the 360 user base growth was crazy, frankly.
Actually, I think this is positive for the 360. It shows it no longer relies on Halo the way the Xbox did and the 360 did early in it's life. Now the 360 has sold to lots of people who are not interested in Halo, who just see it as a good console for playing the kind of games they like to on, be that Modern Warfare or Assassin's Creed or Mass Effect or whatever.
This is progress for MS. If the 360, like the Xbox before it, remained locked in as mainly a console to get Halo on it simply wouldn't have seen the sales growth it has.
Reach shows a decent growth of 5% or so and to expect much more would be - well - unreasonable I think.
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Nobody thought this.
BHR tries to intimate this to say reach is a failure... because quite frankly he is trying to downplay the massive sales of the best loved and biggest selling exclusive franchise outiside of the Wii this gen.
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Yup. That's my point. No one apart from maybe a few die hard fans expected anything more than the sales we've seen - which are of course huge. I guess it should also be noted that, if a console's install base is growing healthily then the attach rate has to go down vs big sellers released early in a consoles life - again there is nothing unexpected there.
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I disagree, I still think Halo: Reach total sales will be 2-3 million more then Halo 3. Having similar opening week sales means that there is the same number of die hard halo fans. However a lot of people buy Halo casually, months, even years after the games release. It's going to have stronger long term sales.
I also don't think you should generalize your opinions. I know many people who expected a modest growth for Halo based on install base.
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If it opens roughly the same (which it has) and shows legs (which Halo 3 did and still does) then when exactly is it going to bring in that many more sales? We'll know soon but I see no reason to believe Reach will show better legs than Halo 3.
Also, given recent annoucements from MS about increasing the speed of release of Halo titles Reach might find itself facing a new Halo much earlier than Halo 3, which would likely harm it's legs vs Halo 3.
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Well Halo: Reach had similar week one sales with Halo 3, do you honestly beleive that over the course of the next 3 years, that it will sell exactly the same was as Halo 3 did? The market was very different in 2007 then it is now, and Halo is one of the best rated exclusives of 2010. It's got a lot of hype with casual gamers, and now that there is a larger install base, it has the potential to sell better then Halo 3. Week one sales are generally due to hardcore gamers, and as Reach numbers show, there are not too many more of them, but there are a lot more potential buyers for Reach then there were for Halo 3.
There is no real reason to beleive Reach will show stronger legs then Halo 3, but there is also no real reason to beleive Reach won't show stronger legs then Halo 3. The only thing that can really be certain is that Reach will most likely outsell Halo 3 by at least 500k. I think 2 million, but only time will tell.
As for a new Halo, Halo 4 could very well be a launch title for a successor console. We just don't know anything about it. However I doub't 343 Studios will make a spin-off to cut sales like ODST did to Halo 3. They will most likely build a new game from the bottom up.
