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Beuli2 said:

Is that for real or are you just guessing?


Sextillion is one followed by 21 zeros, but you've written 10 the the power of 23 which means there's additional 2 zeros to the sextillion making it 100 Sextillion but also you've put 6 which makes it 600 Sextillion.



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makingmusic476 said:

Two years ago I was speculating that the Wii might be the first console to break 200 million.  Actually, I believe I may have made such claims rather emphatically, claiming it would top 200. 

Talk about foot in mouth.  =/


I can't remember if I thought that exactly, but I certainly thought it would outdo PS2 by plenty. Back then though I was sure at least some third parties would submit to investor pressure and genuinely support the Wii. Any year now....



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Demotruk said:
makingmusic476 said:

Two years ago I was speculating that the Wii might be the first console to break 200 million.  Actually, I believe I may have made such claims rather emphatically, claiming it would top 200. 

Talk about foot in mouth.  =/


I can't remember if I thought that exactly, but I certainly thought it would outdo PS2 by plenty. Back then though I was sure at least some third parties would submit to investor pressure and genuinely support the Wii. Any year now....

Hitting out at 100M would be good enough, it would be the first Nintendo home console to break the 100M barrier.



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Too bad that avinash_tyagi doesn't visit these forums anymore. If I remember right he predicted that Wii would outsell whole Playstation Family (PS1, PS2,PSP, PS3..) =D



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Classic NES had a redesign, SNES also. But I don't know how successful they were, if at all.

Wii redesign might help.  The Black Wii didn't seen to help much, even though it looks better (I want one).  But the problem with it (for those looking for a second/replacement wii) is that you cannot transfer most of the DLC and the fact that it comes with games you already have.

Software, well I think that is Wii's major problem right now.  first party titles sell well and move some HW, but third parties are needed to keep a good flow of games throughout the year.  After last awesome Wii christmas, I was expecting a shift from 3rd parties but it actually went the other way.



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Demotruk said:

1) Software sells systems, if you're not getting software that is compelling to the market, excitement for your console wanes. Now, fortunately Wii has got a big batch of software coming up for the holidays which should give Wii a recovery but looking at the bigger picture, let's face it, nothing is going to change. Wii has already had two major software droughts (latter half of 2008 - most of 2009, and almost all of 2010) and does anyone honestly think that 2011 will be different? So far for 2011 we only know of one significant title for sure, Zelda, and given the last two years we have no reason to think there'll be much beyond that. Third parties aren't suddenly going to change, and Nintendo themselves are now divided over three platforms. With a third year of drought, barely anyone is gonna still be excited about the console.

 

2) Wii may still be tracking well ahead of PS2, and might thus be expected to be able to outlast it on that basis, except for one slight issue. In the late lifetime of PS2, it wasn't making the bulk of it's sales in the traditional markets like Wii has. This is Sony's biggest advantage in the games console business, they have a strong marketing and distribution presence in regions where Nintendo is not even officially selling consoles. PS2 sold over 20 million in "Other Europe" and "Others" in it's late years which appears to be an impossibility for Wii.


I agree with pretty much everything you said. Japan especially dropped the ball on supportin the Wii over the years. They had a PS2 right there for em and they just neglected to literally go for broke and do PS3/360 games. Granted some succeeded, but several more failed.

Now on a positive note, I at least wanna provide a list of the Wiis chances to actually beat PS2. It is...69m behind at the moment, but it has 5 years and some change to catch up. Here's what could happen:

Donkey Kong Country could at least cause 70% of the sales the Wii got from Nov.15-Jan 2 last year (this 70% would equal ~6.75 million) worldwide.

Zelda could push consoles for 1-3 weeks. If it somehow goes evergreen, that could extend by double (4-8 weeks). IMO it will at least push.... 30k in the week of its release in America, 10k in Japan, and...20k in EMEAA. Ads are key for this bad boy. I see 6.04m in its future- that has to push some units.

Dragon Quest X. This game...should manage at least 1.5m in Japan when it debuts on the Wii....in a year or 1 1/2. It can move units in Japan but I'd venture a guess that a Wii Price Cut would join it. 300k Americas/ 2.6 m Japan / 400k EMEAA is a rough guess for now for the games sales. In Japan... I could see 70k Wiis shipping out that week, 30k the next.

Vitality Sensor- this is a wildcard. If it takes off like Wii Fit did...Wii could have HUGE momentum. IDK anything about it so my guess is as good as anyone elses.

Wii Party- this should assist DKCR this holiday in pushing units. It has hit written all over it yet no one... no one really cares at the moment. HW increases will come too late to judge if this game is responsible, and plus it would take about 6-8 weeks anyways.

The Last Story- destined to be bigger than Xenoblade but I can't be sure. Could push like 10k if its excellent.

Price drops- need to come in with some bangin software. What that  could be, I have no clue but this is an obvious DETAIL.

Honorable sustenance mentions (games that just remind people the Wii is still alive; these are important too) go out to: Conduit 2, Goldeneye, The Grinder, Inazuma Wii, Activision rehashes, MW2 Reflex [its coming trust me], next year's Sonic, Rabbids 14, uDraw, XSEEDs next few titles, Pikmin 3, and maybe another Wario.

....and Kirby



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wii outsold the ps3 and the 360 almost all year long without any game or price cut, wii is a beats during the holidays, I hope it wont but I fear it will



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Cobra_ said:
Zlejedi said:
zuvuyeay said:

i was thinking that the Wii would be a good emerging market console when its alot cheaper,motion controls,perfect really

but you don't think they have the infrastructure to sell it everywhere,why not? 

What do you mean by why?

It's not hypothesis it's fact.

Nintendo completly ignores emerging markets.

In Poland which have potential to sell 500k PS2 consoles (and which still sell to this day and is one of more popular gifts for children) Nintendo doesn't even have a single guy responsible for promoting their machines.

Their idea of "marketing" in 2008 was sending google autotranslated press notes to gaming portals but even that stopped as people were making fun of them (no suprises here for anyone who ever used auto translator knows the end "quality").

Also their price is emerginging markets is far from competitive. Why would average consumer bother with 800-900 pln Wii when he can get well known Playstation 2 for 400 with cheap games and even special Poland oriented versions of Singstar or PS3 for 1100-1400 which comes with all those fully translated PS3 hits (including voice acting done by recognizable actors). 

And then thare's also Microsoft offering another alternative with plenty of presence in media and easily pirated console (which is huge thing in such places)

Add to that demographic which is mainly retired pc gamers or pc gamers looking to get another platform and you have receipt for disaster.


Well, I guess we are lucky to have a good Nintendo distributor in Czech Republic. There is no Nintendo affiliate here, but another company has exclusive rights for Czech Rep.

It's true that the situation is not as good as with Playstation though - Sony Czech is marketing their consoles better as they have more money to spend. Still, there was a (noticeable if you were trying ) TV campaign for Wii Fit featuring a local well-known fitness guy, they have Wii and DS promotions in big media - not just gaming magazines - from time to time, etc.

I have no idea why something like that couldn't work just as well in Poland which is a much bigger market.

I guess our local distributor is content with small amount of Wii selling without any of his efforts so he doesn't try. And it's also similar for DS (altrough still DS situation is much better). We might be one of extremly few countries where psp is more popular :)



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I think the main reasons are  a lack of remodel, and a high reliability. How many 360s would have been sold if it had a reliability as high as the Wii's? It makes a lot of difference.



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