Yes people always forget about the Soviet factor. They didn't help against Japan right away because they wanted to see if the Americans could handle it, and they felt they had done enough in Europe. After the Soviets saw that the Americans were going to struggle for a while, they declared war against Japan. Just imagine what would have happend if you had the Red army invade from the North, and the Americans come in from the South. This would have dragged on and the Soviets would have let the Americans take the majority of the casaulties,1 since the Soviets always felt that the other allies used them as cannon fodder for the Germans.

Japan would have been torn to shreds, and the people (specially women) would have suffered in terrible ways.2 Just look at how the Russian army raped the shit out of Germany after they were occupying them. The bombings were bad, but the other options were far worse.

what?  It was America and Britain that purposefully didn't invade Berlin even though they arrived first and let the soviets do it alone, which cost Russia 500,000 casualties, more than the US lost in the ENTIRE WAR.  Although indeed Russia was a part of the reason they dropped the bomb, certainly the second bomb.  They didn't want Russia to come to Japan but not for the reasons you say.

1. and that was totally true, the british, specially, used them all the time, because the couldnt handle the germans on their own. (ww1,ww2,etc)

2.the germans raped the shit out russia first, so much that even some nazis complained (yup, nazis asking for human rights, just imagine the things  the germans did in russian soil). So the germans deserved that and more.

Or perhaps it is called "learning from past mistakes".

Case in point Alfred Nobel.

Once again, "two wrongs don't make a right."

Besides, your anti-US, pro-Ahmadinejihad sentiments (as well as my responses - admittedly) are off topic.

I never said the Germans didn't deserve it, that's what you call payback. This is why I think Japan got off very easy.

A huge crime and just about the stupidest decision possible. It's horrible to open up this thread and see people that actually think this was a good decision.

Military are there to die. Let them all rot. You joined the army, then die. Civilians should not be involved. Saying that it was a good decision is the same as saying the attacks on 9/11 were a good decision in some sense.

Let the war go on as long as people in the army are the main target. DO NOT INVOLVE CIVILIANS IN ANY WAY and say it was a good decision to destroy two entire cities.

Fuck everyone who thinks this was a good decision. Damn... It was *NOT* necessary to do it.

by the way what gives you the right to call me pro-Ahmadinejihad or anti-US? I was not implying that I was pro or against anything at all. I was just commenting on what he said.

And if you need to know if I am against anything at all it is against war. read my posts and you´ll see