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voty2000 on 20 September 2010
Homer_Simpson said:

people on the far right are almost exclusively morons, who else would advocate backward social policy and hate everyone but themselves? hopefully not many!

im on the left, I value freedom, equality and fairness, my ideal world is one where people work together for human progress unhindered by the restraints of money, greed or self righteousness.


If you valued freedom you woudn't be on the left or right, you'd be in the middle. 



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oldschoolfool on 20 September 2010
voty2000 said:
Homer_Simpson said:

people on the far right are almost exclusively morons, who else would advocate backward social policy and hate everyone but themselves? hopefully not many!

im on the left, I value freedom, equality and fairness, my ideal world is one where people work together for human progress unhindered by the restraints of money, greed or self righteousness.


If you valued freedom you woudn't be on the left or right, you'd be in the middle. 

I'm more left on social issues and more right on military and fiscal issues. I'm not really loyal to either party. lol



voty2000 on 20 September 2010
oldschoolfool said:
voty2000 said:
Homer_Simpson said:

people on the far right are almost exclusively morons, who else would advocate backward social policy and hate everyone but themselves? hopefully not many!

im on the left, I value freedom, equality and fairness, my ideal world is one where people work together for human progress unhindered by the restraints of money, greed or self righteousness.


If you valued freedom you woudn't be on the left or right, you'd be in the middle. 

I'm more left on social issues and more right on military and fiscal issues. I'm not really loyal to either party. lol

That's what I was trying to say.  You have some values from each group and end up in the middle.  I actually take the same stance as you.

Edit:  My original comment wasn't aimed at you and I'm confused on why you thought it was.



Homer_Simpson on 21 September 2010
HappySqurriel said:
Homer_Simpson said:

people on the far right are almost exclusively morons, who else would advocate backward social policy and hate everyone but themselves? hopefully not many!

im on the left, I value freedom, equality and fairness, my ideal world is one where people work together for human progress unhindered by the restraints of money, greed or self righteousness.


Anyone who tries to define politics into a left-right divide where one side is intelligent and good and the other side are evil morons just demonstrate that they have no capacity for independent thought; and that they're just mindless partisans. Neither the left nor the right are more likely to defend freedom, they're just more likely to defend some freedoms and to infringe upon others; and neither side of the political spectrum maintains logical positions on a wide variety of issues. Consider your position that the left are defenders of freedom, how can this be when the left tends to be the most aggressive in their support for bans on cigarettes, junk food, video games and anything they deem unhealthy.

As a general guideline you can see the difference between left wing and right wing ideology as a divide between "equality of outcomes" vs "equalities of opportunities" ... In most situations you can see the left infringing on one person's rights or opportunities in order to try to change the outcome of another individual, while the right will infringe upon one person's rights or impact their outcomes to preserve another person's opportunities. Obviously, this is not a perfect explanation and you will find several issues which seem arbitrarily divided, but it works out as a decent general guideline.

equality of outcome or opportunity is impossible in a Capitalist system



Homer_Simpson on 21 September 2010
voty2000 said:
Homer_Simpson said:

people on the far right are almost exclusively morons, who else would advocate backward social policy and hate everyone but themselves? hopefully not many!

im on the left, I value freedom, equality and fairness, my ideal world is one where people work together for human progress unhindered by the restraints of money, greed or self righteousness.


If you valued freedom you woudn't be on the left or right, you'd be in the middle. 


thats not freedom, thats indecisiveness and ignorance/apathy.



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HappySqurriel on 21 September 2010
Homer_Simpson said:
HappySqurriel said:
Homer_Simpson said:

people on the far right are almost exclusively morons, who else would advocate backward social policy and hate everyone but themselves? hopefully not many!

im on the left, I value freedom, equality and fairness, my ideal world is one where people work together for human progress unhindered by the restraints of money, greed or self righteousness.


Anyone who tries to define politics into a left-right divide where one side is intelligent and good and the other side are evil morons just demonstrate that they have no capacity for independent thought; and that they're just mindless partisans. Neither the left nor the right are more likely to defend freedom, they're just more likely to defend some freedoms and to infringe upon others; and neither side of the political spectrum maintains logical positions on a wide variety of issues. Consider your position that the left are defenders of freedom, how can this be when the left tends to be the most aggressive in their support for bans on cigarettes, junk food, video games and anything they deem unhealthy.

As a general guideline you can see the difference between left wing and right wing ideology as a divide between "equality of outcomes" vs "equalities of opportunities" ... In most situations you can see the left infringing on one person's rights or opportunities in order to try to change the outcome of another individual, while the right will infringe upon one person's rights or impact their outcomes to preserve another person's opportunities. Obviously, this is not a perfect explanation and you will find several issues which seem arbitrarily divided, but it works out as a decent general guideline.

equality of outcome or opportunity is impossible in a Capitalist system

How do you come to that conclusion?

Equality of opportunity (in many ways) has been achieved. Public education, scholarships, and student loans ensure that the poor black student has the same opportunity to go onto college as the wealthy white student. In situations where public education is so poor that the poor student doesn't (realistically) have that opportunity you will find conservative minded individuals supporting improving the educational system to promote equality of opportunity. In this situation equality of outcomes would be promoted by creating quotas that ensured a certain percentage of college students were poor black students regardless of whether they were qualified or not ...



voty2000 on 21 September 2010
Homer_Simpson said:
voty2000 said:
Homer_Simpson said:

people on the far right are almost exclusively morons, who else would advocate backward social policy and hate everyone but themselves? hopefully not many!

im on the left, I value freedom, equality and fairness, my ideal world is one where people work together for human progress unhindered by the restraints of money, greed or self righteousness.


If you valued freedom you woudn't be on the left or right, you'd be in the middle. 


thats not freedom, thats indecisiveness and ignorance/apath


If you only follow one party and believe all their beliefs and do what they tell you to do, you are simply a mindless sheep.  I have core values and use them to base my beliefs which is why I'm on both sides of the fence.  I'm not going to let some politician who only cares about your vote tell me what to do.  It's ignorant to think that one party does everything right.

Also, if Democrats are all about freedom, why did all but 2 of them vote for the Patriot Act?  Come up with your own ideals and don't let a party tell you what to do.



Mr Khan on 21 September 2010
voty2000 said:
Homer_Simpson said:
voty2000 said:
Homer_Simpson said:

people on the far right are almost exclusively morons, who else would advocate backward social policy and hate everyone but themselves? hopefully not many!

im on the left, I value freedom, equality and fairness, my ideal world is one where people work together for human progress unhindered by the restraints of money, greed or self righteousness.


If you valued freedom you woudn't be on the left or right, you'd be in the middle. 


thats not freedom, thats indecisiveness and ignorance/apath


If you only follow one party and believe all their beliefs and do what they tell you to do, you are simply a mindless sheep.  I have core values and use them to base my beliefs which is why I'm on both sides of the fence.  I'm not going to let some politician who only cares about your vote tell me what to do.  It's ignorant to think that one party does everything right.

Also, if Democrats are all about freedom, why did all but 2 of them vote for the Patriot Act?  Come up with your own ideals and don't let a party tell you what to do.

Not that i entirely support Homer's ideas, but you pretty much had to vote for the Patriot Act. It's in the name of the act. You might as well resign before you vote against it



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voty2000 on 21 September 2010
Mr Khan said:
voty2000 said:
Homer_Simpson said:
voty2000 said:
Homer_Simpson said:

people on the far right are almost exclusively morons, who else would advocate backward social policy and hate everyone but themselves? hopefully not many!

im on the left, I value freedom, equality and fairness, my ideal world is one where people work together for human progress unhindered by the restraints of money, greed or self righteousness.


If you valued freedom you woudn't be on the left or right, you'd be in the middle. 


thats not freedom, thats indecisiveness and ignorance/apath


If you only follow one party and believe all their beliefs and do what they tell you to do, you are simply a mindless sheep.  I have core values and use them to base my beliefs which is why I'm on both sides of the fence.  I'm not going to let some politician who only cares about your vote tell me what to do.  It's ignorant to think that one party does everything right.

Also, if Democrats are all about freedom, why did all but 2 of them vote for the Patriot Act?  Come up with your own ideals and don't let a party tell you what to do.

Not that i entirely support Homer's ideas, but you pretty much had to vote for the Patriot Act. It's in the name of the act. You might as well resign before you vote against it

I realize that but it shows how crappy our government has become.  They are not willing to stick up for their beliefs if it means they will lose their job.  They don't care about us and our freedoms, they care about our votes.



mrstickball on 21 September 2010

The real issue is with voters during primaries.

That is why the system is so screwed up. People vote for the incumbent, or the person that promises the most, without learning about the candidates views and past successes. Voter turnout is usually 50% that of general elections in America (I should know, I've worked the past 3 elections in my state). If people care so little about who they elect as their parties candidate for the general election, things will go bad, because most end up voting based on party.

If primaries were better - people cared more about who was up for election, then we'd be putting forth much better candidates. America could of had Ron Paul as its GOP nominee. Had they had him, I believe Obama wouldn't be in the white house today.

As for Odonnell - my question would be 'what are her views when it comes to creating and writing laws?'. I could care less about their personal beleifs if it didn't get in the way of public policy. Thats something lacking from most peoples concerns, though. Many want candidates that look nice, but write absolutely insane policy.



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