Read a good article about this just last week.  Said it was a good time and place to start announcing core Kinect titles.  Wont confuse the moms in the US who are the leaders of the demographic MS is going for with Kinect and the hardcore will find out about the first core games from the TGS because we pay attention to those sorts of things.

Also since when isnt an on rails hardcore?

Did it ever perhaps occur to you that they could jsut have good ideas involving Kinect and it made more sense doing the game using Kinect than any other device? Japanese developers support the X360 and they have been sicne its launch. Where have you been?

I suspect Kinect integration to become the standard with occasional Kinect only games over time. So maybe a FPS with  actually throwing a grenade or something.

I think MSFT needs to backpeddle on their "no controller" standpoint and just embrace Kinect as a companion piece to help immerse th euser. It would help in the long run once th enovelty wears off, imo. So hopefully the reason we arent seeing core western games announced is because they want to keep the hype on Kinect being strctly no controller to differentiate through the holiday, then GDC as a companion.

I would imagine Forza Kinect, might be the only true core game out west for a while.

I'm not sure but I found this:

"Among the elite publishers actively working on games for “Project Natal” are Activision Blizzard, Bethesda Softworks, CAPCOM, Disney Interactive, Electronic Arts, Konami, MTV Games, Namco Bandai, Sega, Square Enix, THQ Inc. and Ubisoft"

The bolded ones have not yet announced any games as far as I know.  Doesn't mean they are going to be hardcore but I found it interesting.  That list is from 2009.

i dont know why ms tries to even make core kinect games, with the limitations it has i have huge debts about the titles actually having "core" and fun gameplay.

I agree and disagree with you at the same time.

I'll be more specific: I think MS is specifically going after the "no controller" games for the launch of Kinect to differentiate Kinect from it's motion controlling competition.  To that end I think the first round of Kinect games have been specifically chosen to not need/use the controller.

Once they feel they have solidified that image (of "controller free") they can start bringing games in which utilze standard controllers in conjunction with Kinect.

That is at least my 2 cent anlaysis of the situation.

Limitations only if you're trying to emulate a traditional control scheme.  The whole point is to provide a new experience that isn't possible with traditional controls.  There is a reason developers are excited about the tech.

yes and with those limitations i dont think its possible to bring a core experience. star wars kinect is on rails and possibly the only thing you could do is slash with a lightsaber. i understand devs being excited, but why make a core game? it sound impossible to hit it right it. ever since natal was anounced im having mental breakdowns about how and why ms wants to make kinect core games. unless they to like the ipod and put like buttons on the screen and you have to wave at them.

So the argument is that on rails games cant be core? I guess that makes Panzer Dragoon Orta and Killer 7 casual games.