@euphoria  you took the words out of my mouth. What some of these guys dont get is as a PS3 owner Im already getting LBP2, Killzone 3 and already own HR & RE5 so if I spend 50 on a control to extend my gaming experience thats a pretty good investment in my case. Now whether people will shell out money to get Move who DONT have a PS3 that remains to be seen. I did see an old couple eyeing it at Best Buy so anything is possible

@euphoria  I already had GC version of that game I got Wii cause I though it was going to be a light gun gamers heaven. oh well. what I did get was good. Im still hoping that Namco puts a Point Blank compilation on the system and it was backward compatible

I agree with you 100%. I for example am buying a Move controller since I purchased Eye of Judgement years ago and already have a PSeye, so $50 for a Wii-like experience with PS3 graphics seems worth it, especially if LBP2 created levels/games can utilize them. However I am unsure of whether people are willing to shell out $400 to upgrade from Wii to PS3 Motion.

Either way, seeing as how me and you are of the group that only needs (1) $50 controller and nothing more, it shows how little faith people should put into VGC pre-order data for Move since it seems to ONLY track the bundle and nothing more.

I wonder what it looks like for pre-orders on everything that includes the Move hardware.

@euphoria  I've never taken those preorders serioulsy. Another thing to consider is you can get the camera itself relatively cheap, if your intelligent. I got one brand new from Amazon for 25 bucks. thats 15 less than in store. I think the controller itself will do alright. Its 50 bucks. IM sure im not the only guy who found a camera on the cheap to avoid having to pay for that 100 dollar bundle. Wish they had a nav control bundle though

Did you miss the "got sales up holidays last year" part? That means people did flock to it when the Wii was having a downturn. Just because it wasn't the initial sales catalyst does not mean it isn't a selling point.

That is my point though. Of course people will buy a Wii for a 2D styled Mario, but Mario is in no way, shape or form the reason why the Wii is where it is today.

It would be selling less if not for Mario, so there is some effect.

I... don't see why you consider yourself the average buyer in said circumstances when you clearly aren't the average consumer.

A) How would that help as a bridge.

B) Games that incoprorate controller and motion are always going to lack in one area or the other.

I think if Sony bundled the Move controller, camera and Navigation controller and perhaps another Move controller with the PS3 all for the cheap price of 275USD then and only then would you have the WiiHD. Also as others pointed out the WiiHD wouldn't be a true WiiHD without Nintendo's inhouse software.

I saw the Move in motion at PAX and was reminded at just how expensive the Move is to play. For many of the games on the show floor two controllers were pretty much required, Sony says you can play with one control but most games on the show floor were being played with two. Then others shown had navigation controllers as a nescessity.

So Move in total

2x controllers - 110USD

Navigation controller - 30USD

Camera - 40USD

Your talking about 180USD plus tax to get the full Move experiance. Then the consumer also needs a PS3 which makes the whole package a whopping 500USD pretty much. Thats definatly not what casual consumers want. Casuals don't wanna have to waste half a grand to play some games