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Kantor said:

I'd like to apologise for acting like a complete moron and following your vote.

My train of thought was as follows:

1) FUCK YES. I KILLED SEPHIROTH

2) FUCK NO. I'M POISONED!

3) FUCK YES, HATMOZA IS BACK!

4) HATMOZA THINKS FINAL-FAN IS SCUM! FINAL-FAN IS SCUM!

And no, I'm not the silencer. Think about this logically. Sephiroth got revenge by poisoning me. Thus, I killed Sephiroth. I am a pro-town vigilante.

"Hatmoza accuses Final-Fan, rather unhelpfully."

"If anyone does suspect that Final-Fan is lying (*cough Hatmoza cough*), how do you explain the lack of Mafia kills last night?"

"Are you serious? Why are we doubting (Hatmoza)?"

"Oh, how convenient. He venomously accuses Final-Fan twice with no explanation, then disappears.

FoS: Hatmoza, yes, even if he's Porom, and even if he can't defend himself."

 

So then why did you write all this then?





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Kantor said:
hatmoza said:

well, honestly, I really don't have much to tell XD

our ability was Break/Daze where we willingly turned to stone; nullifying all night kills. What we weren't aware of was that kills were the least of our worries.

This silencer is really ... REALLY dangerous.At least Sephiroth is dead. Maybe our break blocked him from killing night one.

oh! wait. Who killed Sephiroth, Kantor or FF? I was a bit confused ...

The flavored text doesn't mention 2 people killing Sephiroth, does it? There's a lead to work with when I'm gone.

I killed Sephiroth. You have my word, and Sephiroth's word.

GoW_3Ever claims he also attacked Seph, but it seems it was mine that was successful.

Also, the silencer doesn't cause that much of a problem, until the later stages of the game when the mafia could begin to outnumber us. Having said that, it would be better to get him out of the way now than in the future.

If we eliminate the people who have been silenced and those who have convincingly roleclaimed, who do we have left?

Durr, I'm being rather slow today.

Indeed, the flavour text doesn't mention two people killing Sephiroth. And GoW_3Ever said that he killed Sephiroth after I had said it. It would be a pretty easy way to frame Homer_Simpson, but I trust him even less, because he "irrefutably found Final-Fan guilty" or some such thing.

Many possible explanations:

GoW_3Ever did indeed get the Kill power from Homer_Simpson, and didn't use it. He was ashamed of his cowardice, and decided to pretend he killed Sephiroth.

Alternatively, he could have been roleblocked. But this would block the power steal.

A third possibility is that he did kill nen-suer as well, and dtewi was too lazy to think up a way to describe that



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Kantor said:
Homer_Simpson said:
hatmoza said:

>_<

Radish is the curer! If he was lying about curing me, someone would have called him out  ....


that is such a niave and stupid way of thinking imo, why would people call him out? if they are that role they may find it benefits them to have no-one know and so they avoid being a target for the bad guys, or like me, there role could forbid it without loss of powers.

NO CALLING POROM STUPID.

Anyway, what purpose would it serve Radish to roleclaim curer? Nobody was really accusing him.

Oh, and also, any townie should gladly leave themselves open to death if they have a confirmed member of the Mafia on their hands. Would you not be willing to do that?

if I die then the good guys lose my other power...and me (a good guy) and no offense but im not convinced that the real bad guys wouldn't try and stop the lynch of Final-Fan anyway when my role is confirmed by my death...

tbh it strikes me that people just want me dead and will look for an excuse, which sucks as im not lying and this will only serve to harm the good guys...



Ok so it was GOW who claimed to kill Sephiroth, not FF??? I could have sworn I read somewhere that he claimed to kill Sephiroth ... If not, our lynch candidates for the day are Kantor and GoW.

And it's up to us to find the liar.

And honestly, I'm under so much pressure for Neurobiology test in 20 minutes that my mind isn't capable of weeding out the liar.



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theprof00 said:
Kantor said:

I'd like to apologise for acting like a complete moron and following your vote.

My train of thought was as follows:

1) FUCK YES. I KILLED SEPHIROTH

2) FUCK NO. I'M POISONED!

3) FUCK YES, HATMOZA IS BACK!

4) HATMOZA THINKS FINAL-FAN IS SCUM! FINAL-FAN IS SCUM!

And no, I'm not the silencer. Think about this logically. Sephiroth got revenge by poisoning me. Thus, I killed Sephiroth. I am a pro-town vigilante.

"Hatmoza accuses Final-Fan, rather unhelpfully."

"If anyone does suspect that Final-Fan is lying (*cough Hatmoza cough*), how do you explain the lack of Mafia kills last night?"

"Are you serious? Why are we doubting (Hatmoza)?"

"Oh, how convenient. He venomously accuses Final-Fan twice with no explanation, then disappears.

FoS: Hatmoza, yes, even if he's Porom, and even if he can't defend himself."

 

So then why did you write all this then?



Because I was in two minds about Final-Fan. On the one hand, I harboured no suspicion of hatmoza. He's the one person currently alive whom I know to be fully trustworthy. I figured he would hardly lie to us. I wouldn't have bandwagoned for any other member in this thread. On the other hand, Final-Fan's roleclaim made perfect sense (TM) and he hadn't really done anything remotely suspicious. On top of that, Hatmoza had provided no reasons.

And just for some context, the last comment was after receiving news that he wouldn't be posting for a few days. And he did post, and everything was good.

What, exactly, are you trying to prove with this grilling? I was stupid, I admit it, I jumped to conclusions, and hatmoza sucks for trying to trick us



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hatmoza said:

Ok so it was GOW who claimed to kill Sephiroth, not FF??? I could have sworn I read somewhere that he claimed to kill Sephiroth ... If not, our lynch candidates for the day are Kantor and GoW.

And it's up to us to find the liar.

And honestly, I'm under so much pressure for Neurobiology test in 20 minutes that my mind isn't capable of weeding out the liar.


kantor is poisoned, he dies tonight anyhow.



I am praying that the silencer is pro town.  If he's mafia then it's just ridiculous because they already are a powerful voting bloc and making themselves more powerful in that way very fast. 

On the other hand, they haven't had much success in killing and the silencer hasn't come forward which a protown might be expected to do. 

Maybe the silencer is the SK?  theRepublic claims there is an SK, but he hasn't killed anyone yet.  My ability last night specifically blocked the mafia (therefore, I presume, not the SK).  Maybe they just have a choice between silence and kill and have been choosing silence all the time. 



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Kantor said:

What, exactly, are you trying to prove with this grilling? I was stupid, I admit it, I jumped to conclusions, and hatmoza sucks for trying to trick us


I'm just trying to figure out why you just told hat you were on his side, but left out the second half of your posting which was almost singularly pointing the finger at him.

It doesn't really matter to me, you're poisoned. I just have no other leads to go on.



theprof00 said:
hatmoza said:

Ok so it was GOW who claimed to kill Sephiroth, not FF??? I could have sworn I read somewhere that he claimed to kill Sephiroth ... If not, our lynch candidates for the day are Kantor and GoW.

And it's up to us to find the liar.

And honestly, I'm under so much pressure for Neurobiology test in 20 minutes that my mind isn't capable of weeding out the liar.


kantor is poisoned, he dies tonight anyhow.

The flavored text confirms there was a poisoning, and that's the only reason I'm kind of sure he's telling the truth ... which leaves the "lying sack of shit " GoW. He already admitted to lying once. Pro town or not, the mafia motto is: "lynch all liars".

I think we are over analyzing this day way to much.



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Final-Fan said:

I am praying that the silencer is pro town.  If he's mafia then it's just ridiculous because they already are a powerful voting bloc and making themselves more powerful in that way very fast. 

On the other hand, they haven't had much success in killing and the silencer hasn't come forward which a protown might be expected to do. 

Maybe the silencer is the SK?  theRepublic claims there is an SK, but he hasn't killed anyone yet.  My ability last night specifically blocked the mafia (therefore, I presume, not the SK).  Maybe they just have a choice between silence and kill and have been choosing silence all the time. 

OR, the SK hasn't been killing on purpose in order to cover his tracks/ hide his actions.