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Slimebeast on 12 September 2010
Legend11 said:

It says a lot that some of the people outraged in Pakistan over the annoucement of the burning of a Quran set fire to a Christian church there.  It just goes to show the complete lack of respect some of these "outraged" people have for other religions and just how much they're hypocrites,

They did? Is there a news article about it or something?



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pizzahut451 on 12 September 2010
babuks said:
HernanDroid said:

I dont agree at all with the OP, you must understand that now the muslim culture is in a sort of "Dark Middle Age" just like the west countries had them about 1.000 years ago and it was theirs "The shining culture of the west world".

 

We need to help them to understand many things we take for granted here, if you take a different point of view, the constitution is like a modern "holy book" for today`s societies.


Why would you say Muslim culture is in 'dark middle age'? Do they make prostitute out of their women no they stone their women to death, do they drink alcohol and cause accidentsyes, some do that (i speak from experience) is their rape rate higher than other cultures no,because if you do that, you'll be sentenced to death  do they invade other countries without proper reason yes. do they kill thousands including women and children like the 'middle age' people doOH GOD YES!!!!?

Of course, only the small minority of them does that

In which point they are in 'dark middle age period'?





Legend11 on 12 September 2010
Slimebeast said:
Legend11 said:

It says a lot that some of the people outraged in Pakistan over the annoucement of the burning of a Quran set fire to a Christian church there.  It just goes to show the complete lack of respect some of these "outraged" people have for other religions and just how much they're hypocrites,

They did? Is there a news article about it or something?

Oops, my mistake, I guess they tried to set fire to one if sites like the following are correct:

http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/headlinenewsd.php?hnewsid=2277



KillerMan on 12 September 2010
pizzahut451 said:
KillerMan said:
Kantor said:
KillerMan said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Kantor said:

The majority of the Islamic world is war-torn and impoverished. The people you see burning Bibles and American flags are ignorant fools who have been brainwashed by terrorist groups into hating everything not expressly approved by their twisted version of the Qur'an. Is the West responsible for that? No. Is Islam responsible for that? Not really, no. Only circumstance is responsible for that.

I can sit comfortably in a warm room in a nice chair and post this without any fear for my life. I don't need to take things out on Islam. Someone sitting in Iraq or Afghanistan probably won't have a warm room or a nice chair, and if they're brought up from birth to believe that that is the fault of America rather than a succession of oppressive terrorist regimes, what do you expect them to think?

You imply that terrorist kill out of jealousy. They don't. They kill for god. They don't kill because you have something they don't. They kill because you have something god says is wrong.

It would be much harder to twist other religions into that way of thinking, then it is Islam.

Christians were doing the same thing just couple of hundred years ago.

But they don't now. Christianity has grown up. Islam seriously needs to grow up.

Which isn't to say, of course, that all Muslims are extremists. Just a hell of a lot more Muslims than Christians.

And to clarify, I have no high opinion of Christianity, either.


I absolutely agree. It's just wrong to say that as religion islam is somehow more violent than christianity. Past proves this wrong. It was basically Industrial revolution that started to change christianity more tolerant. Islam world needs the same change.


it really isn't. Christians stopped killing more non christians 200 years ago, and some muslims are still doing it today.

They did stop but before that they killed more non christians than muslims have killed non muslims so far trough the history. You have to remember that if we look history and go to dark ages it was islam that was more tolerant religion. You could live as christian in muslim land if you just pay you taxes. They also had higher education (first universities were in muslim lands) and higher health care in islam world. Jesus is also prophet in islam so they didn't really mind christians before christians started these crusades... Kill muslim and you get place in heaven. Very tolerant indeed....



pizzahut451 on 12 September 2010
KillerMan said:
pizzahut451 said:
KillerMan said:
Kantor said:
KillerMan said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Kantor said:

The majority of the Islamic world is war-torn and impoverished. The people you see burning Bibles and American flags are ignorant fools who have been brainwashed by terrorist groups into hating everything not expressly approved by their twisted version of the Qur'an. Is the West responsible for that? No. Is Islam responsible for that? Not really, no. Only circumstance is responsible for that.

I can sit comfortably in a warm room in a nice chair and post this without any fear for my life. I don't need to take things out on Islam. Someone sitting in Iraq or Afghanistan probably won't have a warm room or a nice chair, and if they're brought up from birth to believe that that is the fault of America rather than a succession of oppressive terrorist regimes, what do you expect them to think?

You imply that terrorist kill out of jealousy. They don't. They kill for god. They don't kill because you have something they don't. They kill because you have something god says is wrong.

It would be much harder to twist other religions into that way of thinking, then it is Islam.

Christians were doing the same thing just couple of hundred years ago.

But they don't now. Christianity has grown up. Islam seriously needs to grow up.

Which isn't to say, of course, that all Muslims are extremists. Just a hell of a lot more Muslims than Christians.

And to clarify, I have no high opinion of Christianity, either.


I absolutely agree. It's just wrong to say that as religion islam is somehow more violent than christianity. Past proves this wrong. It was basically Industrial revolution that started to change christianity more tolerant. Islam world needs the same change.


it really isn't. Christians stopped killing more non christians 200 years ago, and some muslims are still doing it today.

They did but before that they killed more non christians than muslims have killed non muslims so far trough the history. You have to remember that if we look history and go to dark ages it was islam that was more tolerant religion. You could live as christian in muslim land if you just pay you taxes. They also had higher education (first universities were in muslim lands) and higher health care in islam world. Jesus is also prophet in islam so they didn't really mind christians before christians started these crusades... Kill muslim and you get place in heaven. Very tolerant indeed....


Google ''Ottoman Empire'' and see it for for yourself. They sure as hell weren't more tolerant than christians in middle ages. And why is everyone is mentioning crusades. You know that muslims attacked christians in crusades as well??? And crusades happend hundereds of years ago, and jihad is happening RIGHT NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!! You are picking something that happend such a long time ago and ignore the stuff that is happening today



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Badassbab on 12 September 2010

pizzahut451-

Google any empire and massacres have been committed by all of them. Don't forget European empires justified colonising the rest of the world by bringing 'Christianity' to the 'uncivilised heathens'. It also made it easier to kill them when they were degraded to mere beasts. And what do you expect Muslims to do when a Crusader army comes along? Welcome them with open arms? All 3 of the Abrahamic faiths are as violent as each other whether now or throughout history.

And I quote Richard Dawkins:-

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."






Smidlee on 12 September 2010
Badassbab said:

pizzahut451-

Google any empire and massacres have been committed by all of them. Don't forget European empires justified colonising the rest of the world by bringing 'Christianity' to the 'uncivilised heathens'. It also made it easier to kill them when they were degraded to mere beasts. And what do you expect Muslims to do when a Crusader army comes along? Welcome them with open arms? All 3 of the Abrahamic faiths are as violent as each other whether now or throughout history.

And I quote Richard Dawkins:-

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

You can say Christians / churches fought against the Germans in WW2 yet if you look at the individuals who fought most were not necessary  Christians. Thus the church may have influenece but it's the governments that actually lead the war against Hitler. This is even true with the Crusades , they were more politicial then religious.

 There is a time of peace and there is a time for war. Sometimes the violent act is the best act to follow. When it came to Allies vs Axis during WW2 both sides were extremely violent but I think everyone would agree Hitler had to be stopped no matter the cost. France found out the hard way  It was wrong to try to make peace with Hitler.

Another example cutting someone arm off is an extremely violent act yet doctors sometimes perform this very act to save someone life.



zuvuyeay on 12 September 2010
KillerMan said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Kantor said:

The majority of the Islamic world is war-torn and impoverished. The people you see burning Bibles and American flags are ignorant fools who have been brainwashed by terrorist groups into hating everything not expressly approved by their twisted version of the Qur'an. Is the West responsible for that? No. Is Islam responsible for that? Not really, no. Only circumstance is responsible for that.

I can sit comfortably in a warm room in a nice chair and post this without any fear for my life. I don't need to take things out on Islam. Someone sitting in Iraq or Afghanistan probably won't have a warm room or a nice chair, and if they're brought up from birth to believe that that is the fault of America rather than a succession of oppressive terrorist regimes, what do you expect them to think?

You imply that terrorist kill out of jealousy. They don't. They kill for god. They don't kill because you have something they don't. They kill because you have something god says is wrong.

It would be much harder to twist other religions into that way of thinking, then it is Islam.

Christians were doing the same thing just couple of hundred years ago.


muslims were also doimg it then,so what



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zuvuyeay on 12 September 2010
babuks said:
HernanDroid said:

I dont agree at all with the OP, you must understand that now the muslim culture is in a sort of "Dark Middle Age" just like the west countries had them about 1.000 years ago and it was theirs "The shining culture of the west world".

 

We need to help them to understand many things we take for granted here, if you take a different point of view, the constitution is like a modern "holy book" for today`s societies.


Why would you say Muslim culture is in 'dark middle age'? Do they make prostitute out of their women, do they drink alcohol and cause accidents, is their rape rate higher than other cultures, do they invade other countries without proper reason, do they kill thousands including women and children like the 'middle age' people do?

In which point they are in 'dark middle age period'?


you don't know many arabs in london then,by the sounds of it

drinking ,gambling and taking prostitutes



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TheRealMafoo on 12 September 2010
whatever said:

 Any religion can be used for evil purposes.  They all have at one time or another.  To say one is better or worse than the other is extremely naive.


I would find it hard to make up two religions, and make them the same. One will be better then the other.