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HernanDroid said:

I dont agree at all with the OP, you must understand that now the muslim culture is in a sort of "Dark Middle Age" just like the west countries had them about 1.000 years ago and it was theirs "The shining culture of the west world".

 

We need to help them to understand many things we take for granted here, if you take a different point of view, the constitution is like a modern "holy book" for today`s societies.


Why would you say Muslim culture is in 'dark middle age'? Do they make prostitute out of their women, do they drink alcohol and cause accidents, is their rape rate higher than other cultures, do they invade other countries without proper reason, do they kill thousands including women and children like the 'middle age' people do?

In which point they are in 'dark middle age period'?



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babuks said:
HernanDroid said:

I dont agree at all with the OP, you must understand that now the muslim culture is in a sort of "Dark Middle Age" just like the west countries had them about 1.000 years ago and it was theirs "The shining culture of the west world".

 

We need to help them to understand many things we take for granted here, if you take a different point of view, the constitution is like a modern "holy book" for today`s societies.


Why would you say Muslim culture is in 'dark middle age'? Do they make prostitute out of their women, do they drink alcohol and cause accidents, is their rape rate higher than other cultures, do they invade other countries without proper reason, do they kill thousands including women and children like the 'middle age' people do?

In which point they are in 'dark middle age period'?


What i meant with their dark age was to show how shining they were in the past and how they are now. Many of the math we are taugh in high school actually was originated in Bagdad and many other muslim societies about 1.000 years ago, now we dont see many good news generated from their culture even when they have a lot of oil-based money.

The problems you explain about the west-based societies are based on our freedom and that is why we have also laws and rights, there is no way you can take them away from human nature that easy and you can find problems like those in every society in the world



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HernanDroid said:

I dont agree at all with the OP, you must understand that now the muslim culture is in a sort of "Dark Middle Age" just like the west countries had them about 1.000 years ago and it was theirs "The shining culture of the west world".

 

We need to help them to understand many things we take for granted here, if you take a different point of view, the constitution is like a modern "holy book" for today`s societies.

 The Muslim culture was not responsible for WW2 nor the Cold War. The West is just as violent if not more so than the Arabs in the ME. Probably the main reason the West is as peaceful as they are now is because of nukes. It's really hard to gain anything in a war where both sides has nukes.



TheRealMafoo said:
babuks said:

 

- Mohammed had 15 women, one of them he marriaged in the age of 6 years and made a child in the age of 9 years (when he was 53 years old)

You have to read the whole life style of him. He married at the age of 25 a woman of 40 years old. She was rich. She gave all her money to Muhammad (pbuh). And he spent all of them for poor.

Muhammad (pbuh) did not marry until his first wife died. And only the girl you mentioned of being 6 years old was a virgin, every other wives were widows. So, he did not marry them to meet his lust. His has done them for purpose. You have to read those marriage histories in order to find out the truth.

 

Umm... sorry, but wtf?

You telling me it's OK to overlook a man knocking up an 8-9 year old because he did some other things in his life that were good? Really? That's your argument?

Oh, and as for "eye for an eye" thing, that's the Jews. Jesus came and changed the rules for the Christians. Christians are supposed to turn the other cheek or some stupid shit.

Even though this has already been answered, here is the post I posted 2 pages ago replying to basically the same comment:

 


You do understand that in many cultures and 3rd world nations that marrying women that young is 100% legal. What is socially right in the US/UK/etc isn't what is socially right in other nations and cultures. And social view points can and will constantly evolve and change even in estabilished 1st world nations. For example, here in the US people are starting to reconsider the some marrage laws due to women maturing faster then ever before. Sooner or later I could see the US adjusting laws to allow a 16 year old to marry no questions asked due to this. Is it wrong that things might change to this? No. In today's society it would be viewed socially wrong, but tomorrow society will question somethings and change view points.



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whatever said:
Slimebeast said:
KillerMan said:


I absolutely agree. It's just wrong to say that as religion islam is somehow more violent than christianity. Past proves this wrong. It was basically Industrial revolution that started to change christianity more tolerant. Islam world needs the same change.

Stop.

It's highly ignorant to say that Christianity as a religion is as violent as Islam. Can you show us some Christian theology that promotes violence?

You apparently have not read the bible.

http://www.evilbible.com/

All that violence under the Old Covenant between God and the Jews doesnt apply to Christians who's relationship with God is based on the New Covenant which God established by sending Jesus Christ to die for all of mankind.

 



It says a lot that some of the people outraged in Pakistan over the annoucement of the burning of a Quran set fire to a Christian church there.  It just goes to show the complete lack of respect some of these "outraged" people have for other religions and just how much they're hypocrites,

This post isn't meant as a bash against all people that practice Islam but I do find that a fair number of people in that religion expect religious freedoms (and are outraged whenever one is infringed apon) but don't bash countries like Saudi Arabia for the way they treat Christians.



KillerMan said:
Kantor said:
KillerMan said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Kantor said:

The majority of the Islamic world is war-torn and impoverished. The people you see burning Bibles and American flags are ignorant fools who have been brainwashed by terrorist groups into hating everything not expressly approved by their twisted version of the Qur'an. Is the West responsible for that? No. Is Islam responsible for that? Not really, no. Only circumstance is responsible for that.

I can sit comfortably in a warm room in a nice chair and post this without any fear for my life. I don't need to take things out on Islam. Someone sitting in Iraq or Afghanistan probably won't have a warm room or a nice chair, and if they're brought up from birth to believe that that is the fault of America rather than a succession of oppressive terrorist regimes, what do you expect them to think?

You imply that terrorist kill out of jealousy. They don't. They kill for god. They don't kill because you have something they don't. They kill because you have something god says is wrong.

It would be much harder to twist other religions into that way of thinking, then it is Islam.

Christians were doing the same thing just couple of hundred years ago.

But they don't now. Christianity has grown up. Islam seriously needs to grow up.

Which isn't to say, of course, that all Muslims are extremists. Just a hell of a lot more Muslims than Christians.

And to clarify, I have no high opinion of Christianity, either.


I absolutely agree. It's just wrong to say that as religion islam is somehow more violent than christianity. Past proves this wrong. It was basically Industrial revolution that started to change christianity more tolerant. Islam world needs the same change.


it really isn't. Christians stopped killing more non christians 200 years ago, and some muslims are still doing it today.



Slimebeast said:
whatever said:
Slimebeast said:
KillerMan said:


I absolutely agree. It's just wrong to say that as religion islam is somehow more violent than christianity. Past proves this wrong. It was basically Industrial revolution that started to change christianity more tolerant. Islam world needs the same change.

Stop.

It's highly ignorant to say that Christianity as a religion is as violent as Islam. Can you show us some Christian theology that promotes violence?

You apparently have not read the bible.

http://www.evilbible.com/

All that violence under the Old Covenant between God and the Jews doesnt apply to Christians who's relationship with God is based on the New Covenant which God established by sending Jesus Christ to die for all of mankind.

 


Not to mention that that entire retarded piece of shit web site is incredibly biased, hateful and it misunderstood Bible  by a lot. 



pizzahut451 said:
Slimebeast said:
whatever said:

You apparently have not read the bible.

http://www.evilbible.com/

All that violence under the Old Covenant between God and the Jews doesnt apply to Christians who's relationship with God is based on the New Covenant which God established by sending Jesus Christ to die for all of mankind.

 


Not to mention that that entire retarded piece of shit web site is incredibly biased, hateful and it misunderstood Bible  by a lot. 

Yeah it's a joke. It's hard to take anyone who refers to that site seriously.