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Kasz216 on 07 September 2010
NiKKoM said:

But they are breaking the law... Local officials have denied a permit for the bonfire on the church's grounds

Did the cultural centre with a mosque close to ground zero break the law?


Technically they shouldn't of been denied a permit.  Usually this is the kind of thing the Civil LIberties union would file a lawsuit over.

They should be allowed to do it... and people should just protest the hell out of it.

It's the most grownup way to handle it.



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Kasz216 on 07 September 2010
Chrizum said:
RCTjunkie said:
Chrizum said:
RCTjunkie said:

Oh, Lord.

This is just wrong. This is exactly like the mosque. They have a right, but it's just wrong.


They don't have a right. It is agains the law.


But is it because of religion, or safety reasons? The article leaves that part out.

If it's for religous reasons, I would defend the people that want to burn the Quran because of religous freedom.

If it's for safety reasons, then I don't really know.

Too bad we'll never know what reason it's REALLY for....

It is also illegal to burn the American flag.

Er... No it isn't.  It isn't illegal to burn either.



sapphi_snake on 07 September 2010
Kasz216 said:
NiKKoM said:

But they are breaking the law... Local officials have denied a permit for the bonfire on the church's grounds

Did the cultural centre with a mosque close to ground zero break the law?


Technically they shouldn't of been denied a permit.  Usually this is the kind of thing the Civil LIberties union would file a lawsuit over.

They should be allowed to do it... and people should just protest the hell out of it.

It's the most grownup way to handle it.

This is an unappropriate word considering the topic at hand.



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FaRmLaNd on 07 September 2010
Homer_Simpson said:

yep, not to mention things like the Crusades, and the Israeli Jews blow up Palestinians all the time.

Do you know the Umayyad Caliphate invaded Spain long before the Crusades took place? I'm an atheists myself, so the barbarism of all three disgusts me, but to just mention the crusades and Israeli atrocities in isolation is a naive take on history.



sapphi_snake on 07 September 2010
FaRmLaNd said:
Homer_Simpson said:

yep, not to mention things like the Crusades, and the Israeli Jews blow up Palestinians all the time.

Do you know the Umayyad Caliphate invaded Spain long before the Crusades took place? I'm an atheists myself, so the barbarism of all three disgusts me, but to just mention the crusades and Israeli atrocities in isolation is a naive take on history.

Well the invasion of Spain wasn't about religion, it was about expansionism. The Crusades and Israeli atrocities are about religion.



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Homer_Simpson on 07 September 2010
FaRmLaNd said:
Homer_Simpson said:

yep, not to mention things like the Crusades, and the Israeli Jews blow up Palestinians all the time.

Do you know the Umayyad Caliphate invaded Spain long before the Crusades took place? I'm an atheists myself, so the barbarism of all three disgusts me, but to just mention the crusades and Israeli atrocities in isolation is a naive take on history.

sure, but I only mentioned them to point out the stupidity of only mentioning Muslim acts of violence.

 Im an atheist and I despise religious fundamentalism, but the notion that Muslims are the only ones at it, is bullshit, just because modern Christians and Jews arent so violent, does not make there vile views any less of a threat to human progress.



FaRmLaNd on 07 September 2010
Homer_Simpson said:
FaRmLaNd said:
Homer_Simpson said:

yep, not to mention things like the Crusades, and the Israeli Jews blow up Palestinians all the time.

Do you know the Umayyad Caliphate invaded Spain long before the Crusades took place? I'm an atheists myself, so the barbarism of all three disgusts me, but to just mention the crusades and Israeli atrocities in isolation is a naive take on history.

sure, but I only mentioned them to point out the stupidity of only mentioning Muslim acts of violence.

 Im an atheist and I despise religious fundamentalism, but the notion that Muslims are the only ones at it, is bullshit, just because modern Christians and Jews arent so violent, does not make there vile views any less of a threat to human progress.

No disagreement here. I just come across a lot of people who seemingly haven't read any history and think the west have caused all of the worlds problems. Thats all.



Lostplanet22 on 07 September 2010

it is basically the same...Burning the Quran is provoking and will that end to any good result? not at all...You dont' win anything win it...same like building the mosque they know they provoke many people still they will/want to build it. This will only lead to more discord in the population.



 

Lostplanet22 on 07 September 2010

Doing this on 11 september is also very unrespectfull..  Wonder if Obama will say something about it.



 

ShadowSoldier on 07 September 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
Rath said:
TheRealMafoo said:

Sorry to keep posting these things, but....

"It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort," Gen. Petraeus said in an interview. "It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community."

Is from that article linked above.

I am sorry, we really have things backwards here. We have a group of stupid people in Florida, who due to not liking a Mosque going up in NY, chose to burn some books. BFD, no one gets hurt, and some books go poof.

Now, in retaliation to this, we think some people around the world are going to take this information, and start killing people with it. So, one group burns books, and one group murders people, and we are apologetic about the morons in Florida?

This is like someone sticking there tong out at someone, and getting there face blown off for it, and taking the side of the guy who pulled the trigger.

If burning a book makes someone want to kill, I say bring it.

You're missing the point entirely. Just because you (and I think all others on this board) strongly oppose one group in this conflict, the extremist Muslims, doesn't mean you have to support the idiots burning the Quran. Both groups are doing something wrong, yes the extremist Muslims are doing something much much more wrong - doesn't make the book burners right.

You shouldn't avoid burning the Quran out of fear of being hurt by Muslims, you should avoid burning the Quran because it's an entirely offensive and unnessecary gesture of hate.

Also comparing it to sticking the tongue out at somebody completely underestimates the level of offensiveness of this, there isn't really anything left in Western culture that lives up to the level of offensiveness because we've become pretty thick skinned (mostly due to free speech) but the closest would probably be calling a black person by the 'N' word. Don't take this as condoning their violence or threats by the way, it's not, but I completely understand their anger.


So if I called someone the 'N" word, and he shot me in the face, that's understandable?

Come on. I get sick of the US and our culture always being the ones that are "wrong", when the worst we do as a people is voice our opinion and demonstrate.

You don't see Christian Extremist groups heading over to the middle east and blowing shit up.

Wait...isn't that basically the Iraq War?



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