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All I know so far the only people making a big deal out of this is the media. I think people in Amercia care more about this than anyone in the Middle East. They  seem to care about Americans and Jews being in the ME.

 I wished burning Koran would bring out the terrorist since it would make our troops job a lot easier. All they would have to do is continuely burn Koran in the middle of the street then shoot any mad terrorist running toward them. This tactic worked against Hitler during WWII.



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sapphi_snake said:
TheRealMafoo said:

I am fine with that.

Every time a Christian Church funds, equips, trains someone, and sends them to kill, we call them Christian Extremists.

Find me one Christian Church that has done this. How many Masques do I need find to prove my point? 1, 5, 10, 100?

Really, I doubt you need to go that far to be labeled an extremist.The Church in question is definately extremest in their thinking, and the burning of the Qu'ran is definately an extremist act. It's a bad argument to say that they'rebetter just because they're less violent (for now).

And in the past there are great examples of Christian Churces doing just that (the Crusades for example). Nowadays Western nations are secular, and more evolved and civilised then they were back then so it's unlikely you'll find Christian chruches doing something as extreme as you said in a western country (though a mob that burns books today can turn into a lynch mob tomorrow). It's all related to how evolved and progressive a society is. You won't find many mosques recruiting terrorists in Turkey (secular country where most people are muslim), but you'll most likely find them in Afghanistan (primitive society with religion is deeply rooted in the national culture and where people are poor, conservative and have little access to quality education, hence are easily manipulated and don't think rationally).

It's pretty good for Christian history if you have to go back to the Crusades to condemn us.  Not bad at all.  There has been some in-house fighting though but still that's long long time ago.

It's true that the biggest problem with Islam is place like Afghnistan where most terrorists are not educated and ride short camels.  (I heard this on the radio today)



The anti-Muslim leader of a tiny Florida church backed off his threat to burn the Quran, defusing an international firestorm Thursday after he said he was promised that a planned Islamic center and mosque would be moved away from New York's ground zero. The imam planning the center, however, quickly denied such a deal.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning

 



Well it looks like this guy was strong armed/lied to, so he called it off.

I guess religious freedom only counts if your Muslim.

Glad I am an atheist. If I was a Christian, I would be pissed off at how the federal government just treated a member of my religion.



So he's backed off on it entirely, huh?

 

Well advised.



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"We are, of course, now against any other group burning Qurans," Jones said. "We would right now ask no one to burn Qurans. We are absolutely strong on that. It is not the time to do it."



damn it, then we have to wait a bit longer for this:



DukeOfLuxembourg said:

The Qur'an (Koran) and Hadith are unique among all the sacred writings in the entire world -- because they alone counsel its followers to make war on unbelievers and to behead them.(so much to the religion of peace) Any thoughtful reader will be forced to admit that evil literally "drips" from their pages.  One in every 55 verses in the Qur'an consists of this fake god Allah insisting that Muslims make war on unbelievers and to behead them.

The Crusades were a reaction to the Muslim crusades against the entire world.
In the 7th century, the Muslims took control of Jerusalem, and in the 11th century they began to hassle, kill, molest Christian pilgrims in the Jerusalem area. The Muslim Turks even attacked Rome and Belgrade in 1456 A.D.  The Crusades were also in response to the cries of help from the eastern Byzantine Empire, which was very worried about the military threat to it from the Seljuk Turks. So if the Christians did not respond, the Muslims would have conquered all of Europe and wiped out Christianity from the planet. The Muslim high point in Europe ended when they were turned back from Vienna on September 11, 1683 A.D.   (Did this have any significance to Osama bin Laden's sick mind?)

Every Christian who participated in the Crusades, did so, against the teachings of Jesus.
However, in retrospect, the Crusades probably allowed the western world a thousand years of freedom from the diabolical Islamic religion. The Crusaders stopped the expansion of the Islamic empire. This allowed Christianity to prosper in Europe which preserved the gospel for the rest of the world to receive.

 SPAIN UNDER THE MOORS
Neither was Spain under the Muslim Moors the jewel of Islamic tolerance that it is often purported to be. In 920 A.D. all the inhabitants of Muez were put to the sword. Cordova, Zarajoza and Merida were burned to the ground, with all adult males executed and all women and children enslaved. In AD 1066 all the Jews of Grenada were slaughtered. In AD 1126, all the Christians of Grenada were deported to Morocco.

CARNAGE IN CONSTANTINOPLE
Under Mehmet II the Turks conquered the great Byzantine capital, Constantinople. On 29 May, 1453 A.D., waves of Turkish soldiers swept into Constantinople, the greatest city in the world at that time, and put it to the sword. Priceless libraries and irreplaceable works of art were burned, the population slaughtered, even in the Hagia Sophia, the greatest Christian church in the world at that time.

For centuries the Turks demanded an annual “blood levy” of Christian boys. Parents were forced to hand over one out of every five Christian boys for service in the Sultan’s army as janissaries.

In 1860 over 12,000 Christians were slaughtered in Lebanon. In 1876 14,700 Bulgarians were murdered by the Turks. 200,000 Armenian Christians were slaughtered by the Turks in Bayazid in 1877. And in 1915 the Turks massacred over 1.5 million Armenian Christians. As recently as September 1922 the Turkish army destroyed the ancient city of Smyrna with its 300,000 Christian population.

Very good read.

no arguments here.



DukeOfLuxembourg said:

damn it, then we have to wait a bit longer for this:

Wow! 



Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
TruckOSaurus said:
How do you figure that millions of people will suffer unneeded anguish from seeing a Mosque close to Ground Zero?

I think he is imagining massive pilgrimage to the site by PTSD sufferers who have phobic reactions to symbols of Islam. 

He can't be talking about residents in the area, as they already must be suffering from the mosque already there!  So it's the same angush either way

On a related note, Kasz, I just thought of the fact that it's not like this building is probably going to have a giant red sign painted on it saying "OMG MUSLIM BUILDING".  What makes you so sure this will be instantly identifiable to them, thus triggering the anguish, once the dust settles and the media move on? 

Well, yes.  That's actually one coping mechanism.  Besides the fact that 14% of 8 million people is already over a million.

As for knowing what it is, well that's easy, Islamic architecture is a lot different from US arhitecture. 

It looks like it might get settled anyway though, the whole thing is looking to be a huge cash making scheme.  The guy who bought the land for 5 million is now offering to sell it and not build the community center, for the low low price of 20 million.

If that was his original intention, man is a genious.

So all 8 million people living in the five boroughs of NYC go within viewing distance of the place on a regular basis??  But agreed it would be many many people.

And I would ask if the building is actually going to have "Islamic architecture", and not just be a Western-style building (remember, community center) with Islamic contents and a sign or two out front.  Just like a lot of churches no longer exhibit the fairly distinct "church architecture", I think it's fairly likely that a building that is only PARTLY mosque would not have a special style of architecture.  But then again, it might.  So:  how sure are you of this? 

And if it was just a scheme, one of those guys is a super genius because he's the #2 shareholder in Fox, which has gotten plenty of play out of this. 



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