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Ok, even the 30% that have hd tvs, how many of them even understand that they have an hd tv. Consumer education is very low on it. Most people watching regular dvds on it still think they are watching in hd. For the most part they are if its an upscaling dvd player. Its good enough to the casual consumer. Soccer Mom Jane and regular Joe still are not motivated to get a PS3 if they never wanted one in the first place.



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Kyros said:
"they just buy it because flatscreens look cool"

who cares why they buy them. They buy millions of them. 2 years ago nobody had them now 25-36% (I don't see why your link should be more believable) have a HD set. Besides these are the households with more money.

So I hope we can agree that we have a lightning fast transition to HD capable TVs (nobody buys them?). It is true though (and nobody did deny it) that many of these HDTV owners have no HD inputs but this will change once HD players get into DVD player pricerange and people get accustomed to the new technology. A couple years ago LCDs were luxus items.

 Yours was way back in like June, mine was in Novembrr, much more likely to be accurate since figures are more up to date, anyways, even if we assume 30% for the sake of argument (that's like 33 million households at most), that is still a small amount, espeially considering that HDTVs are pretty much the only one availible like Nintendownsmii mentioned, and the fact that most people do not know about HD signals and input devices, the adoption is going to be much slower than you believe, because most people don't know of a difference and will have to be forced into it



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Bodhesatva said:

I largely agree with Entroper as well. An interesting point of contention, however:

Several people have noted that a company entirely devoted to a specific field or arena tends to work exceptiionally hard at excelling in that arena. While I agree that in reality this often ends up being the case, is there any theoretical limitation stopping a single company from making exceptional products in several different fields at once? For example, if Toyota and Nintendo merged, would this automatically reduce the quality of either of their products? I think one could make an argument that both are exceptional in their separate fields right now. How or why would this change in a merger/buyout?

I suppose I'm marking a distinction between a practical problem (it's difficult to maintain exceptional output from varied products when you are a conglomerate) and a technical, unavoidable problem -- such as cash flow. Which is to say, I believe I could make the argument that the Sony/Microsoft model is superior. There is no question that having more money to devote to specific projects at specific times is an advantage; there is no avoiding that problem, and Nintendo doesn't have non-video game resources to fall back on if and when it is needed. Conversely, Microsoft and Sony could theoretically excel in exactly the same way Nintendo does, without outside funding. I know that in reality that isn't the case, and that both the Playstation and Xbox brands have relied heavily on financial support from other sectors of their company. But isn't it... possible, at least, that they shouldn't have to do that?

Does that make sense?

 

 


 As someone who works for a small focused company that was recently bought out but a huge company I say hell no. Our mission statement went from saying we were going to innovate and keep making the best products of their type in the world, to work with other divisions to show a good return for our stockholdrers. The party is definitely over for Us. Yes we might get into new markets and be insolated in the down times but there will be no blockbusters from us anymore.

 On topic I agree that diversity is great for the industry. It reflects the fact that no one company has what everyone wants. I find it funny that the most focused company shoots for the most diverse customer base. 



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The game will not be any better or include more content then planned. Any commnets that say so are just PR hogwash to make you feel better for having to wait.

Delays are due to lack of proper resources, skill, or adequate planning by the developer.

Do be thankful that they have enough respect for you to delay the game and maintain its intended level of quality.

*naznatips is exempt

Well, sometimes being multiple products company can hurt one division's product. In the case of PS3 it's the obligation to include bluray drive to push the format, but it has risen the retail price and R&D costs.



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Kyros said:
"they just buy it because flatscreens look cool"

who cares why they buy them. They buy millions of them. 2 years ago nobody had them now 25-36% (I don't see why your link should be more believable) have a HD set. Besides these are the households with more money.

So I hope we can agree that we have a lightning fast transition to HD capable TVs (nobody buys them?). It is true though (and nobody did deny it) that many of these HDTV owners have no HD inputs but this will change once HD players get into DVD player pricerange and people get accustomed to the new technology. A couple years ago LCDs were luxus items.

 The HD Ready LCD/Plasma TVs do look cool and I think a major selling point is just that, get a TV in your house that isn't as BIG as your house as the old SDTVs tend to be really thick. What you get is a higher resolution TV where SD and HD programming looks like crap compared to an SDTV with decent 16:9 material on it. Right now HDTV is an immature technology.

 The best LCD and Plasma panels today don't hold a candle to good old CRT when it comes to picture quality. They look good enuff for most people though (remember, the majority of HDTV owners still watch fuzzy SD programming stretched to fit their TVs) just don't enable that 100/120Hz or any of the other "quality enhancing" settings or the picture rapidly falls apart.



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ChronotriggerJM said:

LOL true, true, were definately moving forward in technology, its just physical media is already in stores, is already generating buzz. I still think it has a much higher chace of immediate takeoff than Downloaded movies.


We'll see. I bet a lot of people said this about music downloads a few years ago as well.

I think the piracy dowloads is a good indicator of where the legal market will be real soon. I don't keep up 100%, but this is my impression: for movies now, almost all are SD and the file sizes are not a problem. Almost no HD movies. For TV shows, there are some in HD. When you see more pirated HD movies shared, then HD DL might be an option.

The most important thing IMHO is that it's becoming a more heterogenous (sp?)  market. You have buying, rental, mobile viewing, Youtube style and maybe more. Different strokes for different folks in different circumstances. If I'm at home at friday night and just feel like watching a movie, SD DL might be just right. If I was the collecting movie buff type, buying the hidef disc might be the right choice.



oh man 30% of all households is not much? We are talking about 50mio units(some have more than one) you done like to agree that you are wrong right?

For all they buy them because they look cool guys. Of course true for many. But 50% of them have hd tuners etc. Thats still tens of millions. Besides first you need the LCD tv then you can use he signals. So its a neccessary prerequisite.

Oh and CRTs look better? Sorry but this is bullshit they have better colors but crta of the resolution and screensize of normal plasmas lcd weigh 60kg and are not even available. And even when still some samsung hd CRT were available they looked terrible besides lcd with hd input at the bestbuy. Perhaps you could have adjusted the settings but in the end any small advantages would be swallowed by the fact that they freaking weigh a ton and are huge. Modern lcd look awesome and dont need a strengthened floor.



For me, the point in getting an HD TV would be to use it as a PC monitor.



oh man 30% of all households is not much? We are talking about 50mio units(some have more than one) you done like to agree that you are wrong right?

For all they buy them because they look cool guys. Of course true for many. But 50% of them have hd tuners etc. Thats still tens of millions. Besides first you need the LCD tv then you can use he signals. So its a neccessary prerequisite.

Oh and CRTs look better? Sorry but this is bullshit they have better colors but crta of the resolution and screensize of normal plasmas lcd weigh 60kg and are not even available. And even when still some samsung hd CRT were available they looked terrible besides lcd with hd input at the bestbuy. Perhaps you could have adjusted the settings but in the end any small advantages would be swallowed by the fact that they freaking weigh a ton and are huge. Modern lcd look awesome and dont need a strengthened floor.


50 million out of how many, hundreds of millions, yeah its not that much, its a fraction of the total amount of TVs and adoption has been slow, and difference is rather small for most people, they can't tell the difference, sorry but you're wrong, it'll be a long time before HD makes a difference



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Kyros said:
Oh and CRTs look better? Sorry but this is bullshit they have better colors but crta of the resolution and screensize of normal plasmas lcd weigh 60kg and are not even available. And even when still some samsung hd CRT were available they looked terrible besides lcd with hd input at the bestbuy. Perhaps you could have adjusted the settings but in the end any small advantages would be swallowed by the fact that they freaking weigh a ton and are huge. Modern lcd look awesome and dont need a strengthened floor.

 When was the last time you saw motion blur on a crt?

LCD and Plasma has advantages, picture quality just isn't one of them. 



dlundh

Fair and Balanced - Casual Gamer Extraordinaire