As long as you realise that none of these links support your claim, I think we're good here.

1) Your first link refers to the amazon.com preorders, which you deride in a later post when MUGEN suggested you should look at the amazon.com preorders.

2)  Your second link is Americas only, which would discount upwards of 60% of Move pre-orders

3) The next link is from old data and again, only covers one American retailer, and it looks like they were talking about one day's sales only.

4) The 4th link doesn't mention whether or not Kinect preorders are outselling Move preorders.  There is no mention of Playstation in the article.

5) the 5th link is a rehashing of the 4th link, with the same flaw that it doesn't mention playstation, so there's no way of telling which device is selling better

6) The sixth link is an analyst's opinion.  It doesn't mention which device is selling better.  The analyst thinks that the buzz on Kinect is better, but never says which one is selling/going to sell better.

7) Your 7th link again, is Amazon pre-orders from July.  In fact the author sums up by saying that the figures don't mean that one will outsell the other.  Again, the problem with citing this link as evidence is that in a later post you said this:

It is almost like you are assuming that Amazon is where everyone pre-orders. I guess by your train of thought, all the other retailers in the World that sell videogames don't matter. I mean hey, if I can just look at one store and see something, than obviously it means it is the same everywhere.

You can't cite Amazon preorders as evidence and then say that they aren't credible.  This isn't a fanboy thing.  The fact is that there aren't any convenient ways for us to "all go look at the preorders".  This is why people have jumped down your throat.  I think that most people on this site believe that Kinect will outsell Move (at least in the short term) because Move isn't different enough from Wii for the general public.  You just have to be more careful with your phrasing, and if you're going to cite a wealth of links, make sure that at least one or two are relevant to your initial point.

I would be surprised you require two moves for a game but only one kinect

A quick check on data from my end agrees with the data in his links. If you're going to refute it, then do as he's done, and provide links and reasoning as to why you disagree. (This goes for everyone bitching about things.) Thus far, the argument for Kinect outselling Move has been made much stronger than vice versa. If you don't like that, fix it! Give me the links and data that counters it! Don't just tell me to search for it; doing that is what led me to find what I did.

So i read the title and then find out that this is Australia. Don't post shit like this when its only one country, its not relevant. That said, everywhere outside of USA move should be hotter atm, since its here in like 2 weeks? Wheres Kinect is far out still.

I found those links to be sorely lacking in data.  As for links that counter it, read the first post in this topic.  That all being said, I reckon the Kinect will outsell the Move by a fairly wide margin this holiday season.  It's just there really isn't any decent global pre-order data anywhere.  There's certainly none of it in the links to which you have referred.

Did you read through all the articles? Three of them are all the same news, but posted on the three different sites. The same applies to two more and then one of them is an 'Amazon Sales Indicator' article from June. None of these articles prove anything. The only one that could have any sort of decent information is one about the UK retailers, but judging from the article, they are all in PR mode and of hopes and promises of what Kinect could do. They want 10 pre-orders a day, it doesn't actually mean they're getting them.

Just because a person post's ten links to ten different pages, that doesn't make his argument any more valid unless the content of those links are actually useful to his argument.

The article being used in this thread in favour of the Move isn't useful either, it's just an opinion, a facebook poll and store feedback.

VGChartz pre-order charts can't even be used, because it's placing the PS3's weakest region, against the 360's strongest. People are also relying on the comparison of Kinect Adventures (which is a compulsory with the system) to Sport's Champion (which is optional).

I honestly couldn't care less about what device sell's better, I already know what I'm buying, but it's not exactly fair to gang up on the guy with weak info.

I did refute it. Go check pre order charts of major retailers. What did you check exactly? Amazon? Toys r us? Gamestop? What exactly did you check? HE made the statement, so he should back it up with some proper new data not months old crap. Fact of the matter is no, Kinect is NOT destroying Move in pre order charts available. That's just a bs statement he came up with which he used some random opinion pieces that is based on old data when if you check the same data sources now show a different picture. I patiently asked him to go re-check sources for this. He is just not being mature enough to accept he jumped the gun.

To anyone who is gonna bitch about it afterwords also, go check the major online retailers who actually have preorder cahrts and such (which is the ONLY way we can at least get an idea as of now), kinect is by no means not destroying Move in almost any of them. Do a proper search before bitching and moaning about this again. I'm not gonna bother coming back into this thread cuz some people should be able to use common sense to tackle something so simple, if they lack that I can't help it. I' done.

That's the magic. You eventually can source yourself.

RIAA/MPAA uses that trick a lot.

I actually checked them via the Amazon network, using it properly. Merely looking at the bestsellers for Amazon alone is useless; that updates hourly with a very limited window of sales. What I did pull up was the "bestseller archives", and set it to all of 2010, so as to not get a skewed idea from the closer preorders of Move's release. What I am seeing is that neither are really lighting charts on fire. Here's the breakdown:

Amazon US: Kinect at #96 for the year, no items for Move ranked in top 100 (list cut-off).

Amazon JP, DE, UK, and FR: Neither with any results in the top 100.

With Amazon JP being Sony's best advantage market, I pulled up the month of August there. And got: Move bundle at #85 (and some recharging stand at #92), Navigation controller at #59. No mention of Kinect.

On the flipside, the US, MS's strongest market, has the following for August: Kinect at #62, Move at #72, Navigation at #86, and the bundle at #94. So why do I say neither is lighting up the charts? #68 was the PS2 console.

Europe seems to be scattered; coming up with a consensus there is more than I have time for right now. But with how close Move is to releasing, it really should be ahead. If someone can remind me, I'd like to look at the numbers again when Kinect is close to release.

Calm down people, no need to take it so seriously! It is just a facebook survey for christ sake. I remember they did one of those just before the election here and it had liberal democrats winning by 2 points and having their best election ever. When it actually got to the voting they came 3rd and actually lost seats......

Point being most people on facebook click stuff without the intention of actually following it through.