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nobodyspecial said:
Rath said:
nobodyspecial said:
Mr Khan said:
badgenome said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

When Muslim fanatics kill Americans (after, say, the Fort Hood slaughter) a reflexive response from the Obama administration is to fret over anti-Islamic backlash.

Obama and Co. automatically proclaim that such orchestrated terrorist attacks are “isolated” events. But when it comes to mainstream Americans, veterans, ObamaCare opponents or (shudder) tea partiers, there’s no generalization too broad or too insulting for the left.

This x1000.

That's the second time today you've made this implication that the left is guilty of something that the right isn't. I'm certainly not fabricating the people walking around with signs saying "Islam Kills."


But Islam does kill, the Koran instructs muslims to kill:

"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush." (Sura  9:5)

Sura 2:187-189 “And kill them wherever ye shall find them, and eject them from whatever place they have ejected you; for civil discord is worse than carnage: yet attack them not at the sacred Mosque, unless they attack you therein; but if they attack you, slay them. Such the reward of the infidels."

But they shouldn't kill one of their own who has killed a "kafir":

“No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir (infidel).”(Hadith vol. 9:50)


However if a muslim stops being a muslim then they're fair game:

“Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.”  (Hadith 9:45; 84.2.57.)


And the Bible instructs Christians to stone disobedient children. Moderates of both religions know what rules not to follow.

How many Christians have stoned disobedient children because they read it in the Bible? (Or at all for that matter, lol!) And how many muslims have killed "kuffar"? Besides, did Jesus say to stone disobedient children? I don't know if you're a muslim or not but if you're not then why are you defending a cult that ultimately wants to kill you if you won't convert? Because if you don't have a problem with Islam then you can't have a problem if your country becomes islamic and if your country becomes islamic then it's more likely than not that it will have sharia law and if it has sharia law then your life expectancy is severely endangered if you're not and refuse to become a muslim.


Am sorry guys looks like I have to kill most of as an act of worship.



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Nomad Blue said:
nobodyspecial said:


Islamic terrorism has been going strong for around 1500 years, I seriously doubt the acceptance of a mosque near ground zero will defeat it! The way to defeat it is to declare Islam what it is, an evil cult that's not a valid religion, and state in no uncertain terms that we won't tolerate it anymore. People can believe whatever the hell they like individually but the preaching of Islam should be treated like the preaching of Nazism or anything that's been declared a dangerous cult. Not only should the "ground zero" mosque not be built but all others should be knocked down. If muslims don't like it then they can go and live in an islamic country, that's what they ultimately want anyway isn't it? And if it isn't then why are they muslims?

How do you not get banned for saying stuff like that?

You really are a nasty piece of work.  If Islam should be decalred a cult, then so should all other religions.  No one religion has any more validity than another, and they all share the same origins, i.e. man.  Bizarrely, you make it sound like you think Nazism is a bad thing, and sound like one yourself.

Don't worry he is just an douchebag that outsources information what he wants to hear without looking at that historical context or the whole god damn thing.

See ya guys probably looks like am gonna get banned.



"Life is but a gentle death. Fate is but a sickness that results in extinction and in the midst of all the uncertainty, lies resolve."

Do you want to know why most Islamic states are in such horrible shape right now? It is directly because of the American and English interference.

A lot of you scream at the top of your lungs over the smallest and most insignificant things, yelling about liberals this and liberals that. Where were you when your conservative government went to war with two different countries when every single 9/11 hijacker was from Saudi-Arabia? Where are your protests, why don't you demand your conservative leaders to attack Saudi Arabia with one of the most backwards governments in the world. Why has not a single Republican said a single thing against Saudi Arabia? Democrats are just as guilty of this too, but the point stands.

No the fact is that America wants the king to stay in power in Saudi Arabia because he sells America oil for cheap and buys our second hand weapons. America was the one that overthrew Iran's democratically elected leader 35 years ago because he nationalized Iran's oil. America was the one that gave Sadam Hussein the chemical weapons he used against the kurds and Iranians. America were the ones that trained the Taliban and gave them the weapons to come into power.

You bitch and you moan about the intolerance in the middle east but everything that you see there is as a direct result of American meddling. You see it wouldn't be too good for the US if people out there started having a higher standard of living, might make us poor Americans have give up some of the luxuries we've gotten so used to, no that won't do.

But I guess reading history is too difficult for some people, I guess its a lot better to have your entire world history view given to you in convenient little snippets that point out who the good and bad guys are, just in case you get confused.

Some people are just beyond reason...



                                           

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HappySqurriel said:

One of the main reasons the media and many pundits have talked so much about supposed racism in the United States for the past 3 years is they’re attempting to silence opposition to their political agenda. Historically, this kind of manoeuvre has been very effective, but today (when almost every argument online devolves into someone accusing someone else of being a fascist or racist) it doesn’t have the punch it once did.

 

Could you be more specific? What's their agenda?



Mendicate Bias said:

Do you want to know why most Islamic states are in such horrible shape right now? It is directly because of the American and English interference.

A lot of you scream at the top of your lungs over the smallest and most insignificant things, yelling about liberals this and liberals that. Where were you when your conservative government went to war with two different countries when every single 9/11 hijacker was from Saudi-Arabia? Where are your protests, why don't you demand your conservative leaders to attack Saudi Arabia with one of the most backwards governments in the world. Why has not a single Republican said a single thing against Saudi Arabia? Democrats are just as guilty of this too, but the point stands.

No the fact is that America wants the king to stay in power in Saudi Arabia because he sells America oil for cheap and buys our second hand weapons. America was the one that overthrew Iran's democratically elected leader 35 years ago because he nationalized Iran's oil. America was the one that gave Sadam Hussein the chemical weapons he used against the kurds and Iranians. America were the ones that trained the Taliban and gave them the weapons to come into power.

You bitch and you moan about the intolerance in the middle east but everything that you see there is as a direct result of American meddling. You see it wouldn't be too good for the US if people out there started having a higher standard of living, might make us poor Americans have give up some of the luxuries we've gotten so used to, no that won't do.

But I guess reading history is too difficult for some people, I guess its a lot better to have your entire world history view given to you in convenient little snippets that point out who the good and bad guys are, just in case you get confused.

Some people are just beyond reason...

you are right about iran and iraq, and the attackers were from Saudi Arabia on 9/11 but it was organized by Al Qaeda and the people were hand picked by Bin Laden.  



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johnsobas said:
Mendicate Bias said:

Do you want to know why most Islamic states are in such horrible shape right now? It is directly because of the American and English interference.

A lot of you scream at the top of your lungs over the smallest and most insignificant things, yelling about liberals this and liberals that. Where were you when your conservative government went to war with two different countries when every single 9/11 hijacker was from Saudi-Arabia? Where are your protests, why don't you demand your conservative leaders to attack Saudi Arabia with one of the most backwards governments in the world. Why has not a single Republican said a single thing against Saudi Arabia? Democrats are just as guilty of this too, but the point stands.

No the fact is that America wants the king to stay in power in Saudi Arabia because he sells America oil for cheap and buys our second hand weapons. America was the one that overthrew Iran's democratically elected leader 35 years ago because he nationalized Iran's oil. America was the one that gave Sadam Hussein the chemical weapons he used against the kurds and Iranians. America were the ones that trained the Taliban and gave them the weapons to come into power.

You bitch and you moan about the intolerance in the middle east but everything that you see there is as a direct result of American meddling. You see it wouldn't be too good for the US if people out there started having a higher standard of living, might make us poor Americans have give up some of the luxuries we've gotten so used to, no that won't do.

But I guess reading history is too difficult for some people, I guess its a lot better to have your entire world history view given to you in convenient little snippets that point out who the good and bad guys are, just in case you get confused.

Some people are just beyond reason...

you are right about iran and iraq, and the attackers were from Saudi Arabia on 9/11 but it was organized by Al Qaeda and the people were hand picked by Bin Laden.  

It's the saying.  If you get struck... are you mad at the hand that struck you?  Or the heart that compelled it to strike.

Where they were from was irrelevent.  Where the Brain was, that was what was important.


Though the war was still stupid.  (Which I said at the time).

Airstrikes and tactical assaults always worked well enough in the past.



Mendicate Bias said:

Do you want to know why most Islamic states are in such horrible shape right now? It is directly because of the American and English interference.

A lot of you scream at the top of your lungs over the smallest and most insignificant things, yelling about liberals this and liberals that. Where were you when your conservative government went to war with two different countries when every single 9/11 hijacker was from Saudi-Arabia? Where are your protests, why don't you demand your conservative leaders to attack Saudi Arabia with one of the most backwards governments in the world. Why has not a single Republican said a single thing against Saudi Arabia? Democrats are just as guilty of this too, but the point stands.

No the fact is that America wants the king to stay in power in Saudi Arabia because he sells America oil for cheap and buys our second hand weapons. America was the one that overthrew Iran's democratically elected leader 35 years ago because he nationalized Iran's oil. America was the one that gave Sadam Hussein the chemical weapons he used against the kurds and Iranians. America were the ones that trained the Taliban and gave them the weapons to come into power.

That's just nonsense and lies.

Mendicate Bias said:

You bitch and you moan about the intolerance in the middle east but everything that you see there is as a direct result of American meddling.

And immigrants bitch and whine and blame the West for their own problems.

 



TheRealMafoo said:

Let me ask you all this...

If there was a sect of Christianity, that wanted to reshape the US to be under Absolute Christian Law and wanted to destroy our liberty and religious freedoms, and this sect of Christianity was building churches all over the place, would you defend them?

I would hope not. Now, in modern Christianity we don't have this kind of thing. We used to hundreds of years ago, but not today. In Islam however, we do. There is a Islam that is religion, and there is Islam that is a political organization. The radical Islamic movement wants the US to live under Shia law. This means they want to reshape our government to rule under Islamic law.

The Imam who wants to build that Center is for this. In fact he wants the entire world under one Islamic political state, ruled by the laws of god.

This man, and every man like him, can go fuck themselves. The other 99% of Muslims, can continue to practice and enjoy there religious freedoms in this country, and build Islamic centers anywhere they want.

Fighting the offenses of people with these views is not an attack on Islam. It's defending liberty, and not allowing it to be destroyed, under the false pretense of political correctness, and religious freedom.


You just made my day!



"They will know heghan belongs to the helghast"

"England expects that everyman will do his duty"

"we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

 

I don't think islamophobia is a term used in the psychology textbook.

Secondly a phobia is an illogical fear of something.

The attempts that many Muslims made to censor the cartoons of Muhammed (a wholly valid protest that I support) were discusting (as was the western media that assisted in the cencorship). Of course I support the building of the Mosque, one must be consistent. I don't like that the Mosque is being built, but then again I don't like it when any religious building is built. Freedom is a two way street, I'll let you build your mosque and you'll let me criticise Muhammad. You can criticise me for doing it and thats fine, but silly appeals to emotion and tradition and the fallacy of calling it racism when ethnicity is not being attack wont work on me.

Anyone who steps outside of the realms of discourse and takes actions into there own hands are horrible people. Not the people that are simply speaking, regardless of how much you disagree with it.



superchunk said:
TheRealMafoo said:
 


He has stated in the past that he is for Islamic courts in the US that can not be overruled by secular courts. I can not find him saying it, and I am very tired. Here is an interview with someone referencing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d6zV7o65Cc

Just start at 6:25, though the entire thing is interesting to listen to.

I think this is what your looking for and again your interpretation is based on the right-wing bias as presented in your own link towards this Imam which is false. Watch the video and actually listen to what he says. He is not saying US should have Islamic courts, but that Amercian values are one in the same with Shariah law. Now, what you and the Fox news and other fail to realize is his descriptions of Shariah law are not the same as those of extreamist states in the Middle East which do NOT follow the Quran but follow Hadith literature. His view is based on the Quran. He even specifically mentions religious freedom which does not exist in Saudi Arabia and other places.


You do realize the guy being interviewed is Dr. Zuhdi Jasser? A Muslim who is against this Center going up.

This Imam thinks the Iran elections were accurate, and that Iran is now at piece.

You sound like someone defending a guy who only beats his wife one day a month. You can point to all the positive things you like, but like Dr Jasser says in that link. You can't do it part time.