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sapphi_snake said:
Coca-Cola said:

when Paul advises people to stay single, it's only when men were about to go out to war.  so then the woman wouldn't have to a widow.  (That's what I was taught anyways). 

It's sad thought that churches make stupid rules that's not in the bible just so that they could look "holy".  Stupid.

Shouldn't Paul be preaching against war?

When you write to individuals not in power, hard to discuss not going to war, because they don't have the power.  James write about why people have strife though:

1What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you? 2You want something but don't get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight.

(James 4)



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sapphi_snake said:
Coca-Cola said:

when Paul advises people to stay single, it's only when men were about to go out to war.  so then the woman wouldn't have to a widow.  (That's what I was taught anyways). 

It's sad thought that churches make stupid rules that's not in the bible just so that they could look "holy".  Stupid.

Shouldn't Paul be preaching against war?

I'm sure he was against war, but what can you do if there is a draft?  He actually encourages people to serve the govt.  because he believed that God allowed govts to be in power - to make life manageable.  Remember, most Jews during Paul's time were agaisnt the Roman govt and I'm sure before he became a Christian, Paul was against them too.  But after the conversion he had  another view.  Instead of trying to overthrow them, he says to listen to them.  Even when he went to prison under Roman Rule, he doesn't speak against them but shares the gospel.



SmoothCriminal said:
sapphi_snake said:
SciFiBoy2.0 said:

wait, thats a big deal?

my parents have known im an atheist since I was like 14/15 when I became one, lol

Well Spock, my parents are fundies. You should hear what they say about people of other religions (and by this I also mean other Christian religions like Catholics or Protestants), let alone about atheists.

Just out of curiosity, what do they say about us Catholics? (And don't even bother replying if they call us "fish-eaters." I've heard that so much it's not offensive anymore).

 

OP: As a former atheist who has, as they say, "seen the light," I really have no advice. I never told my parents I was atheist, and by the time I was able to tell them I had converted back to Catholicism.

Lol, never heard the "fish-eater" one before. They simply say you guys have got it all wrong (think of the diffrences between Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxism).



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richardhutnik said:
sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

You relate being content to being a pushover?  Being able to accept circumstances without being driven to be emotionally unbalanced, such as being perpetually angry or depressed or negative is a strength.  Like, individuals who can be single and not get lonely, are stronger.  People who are mature have seen more and are able to put up with more.

Care to argue how it isn't? 

Everything taken in excess is bad. That includes contemptment. If you're always contempt, even when you have good reason not to be you'll never make any progress in life. Life doesn't get better without puttin effort to change it, and being unsatisfied with your current situation is a good incentive. Of course if unsatisfaction is taken in excess that it can have the opposite effect, but still the middle road is the best.

The  type of thinking that you talked about (contemptment in any situation) has had a very strong influence in Romanian culture and it's one of the main reasons why Romania sucks so much. I often remember reading Romanian literary works that had exactly this theme: a person tries to better their life only to fail miserably. Moral: be contempt with what you have, don't try to better your life 'cause you'll fail, you're gonna be a worthless POS forever.

The philosophy you talk about doesn't ilustrate maturity, it ilustrates fear. The fear of change and the fear of taking risks.

What is the other option?  The American culture is one of always being miserable and wanting more.  You keep acquiring and never have any peace or happiness.  In this culture they keep selling more and more meaningless stuff.  The key here is to being able to be happy with what you have and appreciate it.  You can pursue more, but the idea is to not have your happiness lie outside yourself.  If you can't enjoy what you have, more stuff doesn't make a difference.  Key is to work out of where you are to have things get better, not suck where they are and not be as bad.   In this way, getting more is a blessing, rather than and end of suck.

Watch this:

Did you read my post? I said that the best road is the middle road. Being overtly contempt is no better than being overtly unsatisfied. And some times you can't help but be unsatisfied. Pretending you're happy won't cut it. You gotta go out there and fix it. Just don't exaggerate with you ambitions.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Coca-Cola said:

I'm sure he was against war, but what can you do if there is a draft?  He actually encourages people to serve the govt.  because he believed that God allowed govts to be in power - to make life manageable.  Remember, most Jews during Paul's time were agaisnt the Roman govt and I'm sure before he became a Christian, Paul was against them too.  But after the conversion he had  another view.  Instead of trying to overthrow them, he says to listen to them.  Even when he went to prison under Roman Rule, he doesn't speak against them but shares the gospel.

Now that's a stupid beleif. Sorry, couldn't help saying this. And if you're against war you'll just opposed being drafted. Isn't that what martyrs do? Plus Jews were just obsessed with having their own state. And the Jews were against the Romans 'cause they were obseesed with having their own state. Beign anti-roman was not the same as being anti-war.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

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sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:
sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

You relate being content to being a pushover?  Being able to accept circumstances without being driven to be emotionally unbalanced, such as being perpetually angry or depressed or negative is a strength.  Like, individuals who can be single and not get lonely, are stronger.  People who are mature have seen more and are able to put up with more.

Care to argue how it isn't? 

Everything taken in excess is bad. That includes contemptment. If you're always contempt, even when you have good reason not to be you'll never make any progress in life. Life doesn't get better without puttin effort to change it, and being unsatisfied with your current situation is a good incentive. Of course if unsatisfaction is taken in excess that it can have the opposite effect, but still the middle road is the best.

The  type of thinking that you talked about (contemptment in any situation) has had a very strong influence in Romanian culture and it's one of the main reasons why Romania sucks so much. I often remember reading Romanian literary works that had exactly this theme: a person tries to better their life only to fail miserably. Moral: be contempt with what you have, don't try to better your life 'cause you'll fail, you're gonna be a worthless POS forever.

The philosophy you talk about doesn't ilustrate maturity, it ilustrates fear. The fear of change and the fear of taking risks.

What is the other option?  The American culture is one of always being miserable and wanting more.  You keep acquiring and never have any peace or happiness.  In this culture they keep selling more and more meaningless stuff.  The key here is to being able to be happy with what you have and appreciate it.  You can pursue more, but the idea is to not have your happiness lie outside yourself.  If you can't enjoy what you have, more stuff doesn't make a difference.  Key is to work out of where you are to have things get better, not suck where they are and not be as bad.   In this way, getting more is a blessing, rather than and end of suck.

Watch this:

Did you read my post? I said that the best road is the middle road. Being overtly contempt is no better than being overtly unsatisfied. And some times you can't help but be unsatisfied. Pretending you're happy won't cut it. You gotta go out there and fix it. Just don't exaggerate with you ambitions.

And what I wrote is that this isn't middle of the road, but a skill.  It is not to say life can't overwhelm, but there is no downside at being able to find good in where you are irregardless of where you are.  It is a bit like having wealth or good friends or good health... no need for moderation here.



 

actually, talking to a priest isn't automatically an act of confession. It's different if you are willing to confess (where the priest serves as a kind of channel(conduit?) to God)  or do you just want to talk to priest seeking advice or guidance.

Damn loopholes.

It's similar to console fanboyism - if your friend is a nintendo fanboy, and you are an avid supporter of ps3, you can normally continue to be friends, but you will hardly ever agree on some console-related topic.

Haha... nice analogy.

Out of pure curiosity, why have you became atheist?

Found no logical reason to believe in any deity.

Have you actually give your parent's religion a try (reading and research about dogmas and so on)?

I used to be religions, though I did no research about dogmas. However, since I don't believe in the deity my parents worship I see no need now to do any research on those dogmas. It's as usefull as doing research about Hobbits.

Have you found satisfying answers of complex questions such as existence in logic?

Existence? Do you mean the purpose of our existence? I have no ideea why we exist, or if there's really any purpose. I don't have the means to get those answers, but I;m fine with that. Made up answers like those offered by my parent's religion don't make me feel any better.

Can you imagine your cease of existence on this world, and are you satisfied where yoi imagine yourself after that?

You die, you stop functioning (like a broken machine), you decompose and become worm food. That's all. The ideea of an afterlife is a nice thought, but it's only something that makes death less scary. It's notgrounded in reality though.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

richardhutnik said:

And what I wrote is that this isn't middle of the road, but a skill.  It is not to say life can't overwhelm, but there is no downside at being able to find good in where you are irregardless of where you are.  It is a bit like having wealth or good friends or good health... no need for moderation here.

Yes there is a downside to that. If you always do that and it becomes a habbit you can wind up constantly resorting to that instead of taking action and fix the problem. You can end up living a life of denial because of fear and lack of assertiveness.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

And what I wrote is that this isn't middle of the road, but a skill.  It is not to say life can't overwhelm, but there is no downside at being able to find good in where you are irregardless of where you are.  It is a bit like having wealth or good friends or good health... no need for moderation here.

Yes there is a downside to that. If you always do that and it becomes a habbit you can wind up constantly resorting to that instead of taking action and fix the problem. You can end up living a life of denial because of fear and lack of assertiveness.

Depends on your motivationsal source.  Why does one need to be motivated by things apparently sucking in order to enact change, rather than can do better?  Is one not capable to  see things as good, better, and even better, rather than horrible, sucks and ok?  I will say being able to fing good in all situations is a skill the empowers a person to find needed resources and not overlook them.  In this also is the ability to also obtain hope.  If there is any downside, I would say that more is needed in a person than just this.



richardhutnik said:
sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

And what I wrote is that this isn't middle of the road, but a skill.  It is not to say life can't overwhelm, but there is no downside at being able to find good in where you are irregardless of where you are.  It is a bit like having wealth or good friends or good health... no need for moderation here.

Yes there is a downside to that. If you always do that and it becomes a habbit you can wind up constantly resorting to that instead of taking action and fix the problem. You can end up living a life of denial because of fear and lack of assertiveness.

Depends on your motivationsal source.  Why does one need to be motivated by things apparently sucking in order to enact change, rather than can do better?  Is one not capable to  see things as good, better, and even better, rather than horrible, sucks and ok?  I will say being able to fing good in all situations is a skill the empowers a person to find needed resources and not overlook them.  In this also is the ability to also obtain hope.  If there is any downside, I would say that more is needed in a person than just this.

I think that the best course of action in this case may also depend on the person and his/her personality. A scared, gutless person following the philosophy you described may find comfort in his/her current situation by deluding themselves ('cause it's easier and requires less effort) and simply never make any progress. An overtly-abitions and shallow person following the opposite philosophy may end up constantly unsatisfied, always wanting more and never appreciating what they do have. Like I said, there's no answer that works for everyone.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)