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If the Wii cost 4-600 dollars, no matter how advanced it was, I wouldn't get it.  Too much money for just a console.



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I'd say that graphics have an influence but it's the gameplay that wins. I don't buy a game cause it has pretty images, I buy it cause I think I'll have fun...



lolita said:
I'd say that graphics have an influence but it's the gameplay that wins. I don't buy a game cause it has pretty images, I buy it cause I think I'll have fun...

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staticneuron said:

graphics don't....... ohh, here we go again.

 

Let us prove this. All it takes is a little honesty on your part. If all three systems on the market right now cost $300 and you could only get one which one would you get? Which system has the best value? Which one seems more fun? Which one currently holds the best game? Which one overall seems like a killer deal?

 

Graphics matter. You may not want to pay for it but I am damn sure if things were different nintendo fans would be crowing like roosters if nintendo came out with the most powerful system and if Zelda made gears of war look like it was developed by kids who rode the schoolbus with tinted windows.

 

If you really didn't believe this was the case why is this subject continuosly picked up and debated? I have only seen this much defence over this subject on nintendo related forums. Seriously most 360 and PS3 related place refuse to compare to the wii and feel that thier sales are relegated to a different set of consumers.

Just by these long winded rants about graphics mainly coming from the nintendo fanbase, I am starting to feel that some guys out there need justification for there purchases. Or a rationilization, so to calm fears that they might have made a mistake. 


Well the $300 XBox was outsold by the $300 PS2 inspite of having better graphics ...

The $200 Gamecube was outsold by the $300 PS2 inspite of having better graphics ...

The $200 N64 was outsold by the $200 Playstation inspite of having better graphics ...

All else being equal people will choose better graphics, but lets face it all else has never been equal and probably never will be. People choose to buy the Playstation over the N64 because it had a far larger library of games which lead to it having more good games; people chose the PS2 over the Gamecube and XBox because it had a far larger library of games which lead to it having more good games.



I think the question is put in the wrong way. It should be put does graphics sell any game system independent on price and performance in key areas.

 

First I would like to adress what I mean with key areas. The main competion against GameBoy failed in the most important thing, Portability or bad battery life, that is unacepteble when the competion also have more games.

 

Second: Graphics werses price, most possible if Sony could have put the PS3 in the same price range as the Wii, and have some good games out, it would sell better. Now this means that Graphics sells if it is worth it! Most possible many thinks that 600 USD is to much for a gaiming system, and therfore doesn't buy the PS3.



 

 

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Gameplay is more important than graphics, I think most people agree with that. Graphics are still important.

But I don't think either sell systems as much as the number of games available.

Probably like 99% of people that buy games do not research anything about them or read reviews. They see a game in the store and buy it. Maybe you see a game with a license you like and buy it, or maybe you see a lot of games for the genra you like.

Graphics are always improving, but this gen Sony and MS took a huge jump that was not really necessary. It adds a lot to the cost and in the end won't matter that much.

Now if I had a choice for TP to be 1080p or 420p, of course I would want the best graphical version (assuming everything else was the same). But I, and many others still bought TP to play in 420i or 420p anyway. So from a business stand point, there isnt much need for the really high graphics...

Now, Nintendo had a strangle hold on the hand held market so more powerful systems failed. But Sony had a strangle hold on the console market and launched with the most powerful (or at least equal with 360) system and they are now in 3rd place, and may stay there forever.

 



HappySqurriel said:
staticneuron said:

graphics don't....... ohh, here we go again.

 

Let us prove this. All it takes is a little honesty on your part. If all three systems on the market right now cost $300 and you could only get one which one would you get? Which system has the best value? Which one seems more fun? Which one currently holds the best game? Which one overall seems like a killer deal?

 

Graphics matter. You may not want to pay for it but I am damn sure if things were different nintendo fans would be crowing like roosters if nintendo came out with the most powerful system and if Zelda made gears of war look like it was developed by kids who rode the schoolbus with tinted windows.

 

If you really didn't believe this was the case why is this subject continuosly picked up and debated? I have only seen this much defence over this subject on nintendo related forums. Seriously most 360 and PS3 related place refuse to compare to the wii and feel that thier sales are relegated to a different set of consumers.

Just by these long winded rants about graphics mainly coming from the nintendo fanbase, I am starting to feel that some guys out there need justification for there purchases. Or a rationilization, so to calm fears that they might have made a mistake. 


Well the $300 XBox was outsold by the $300 PS2 inspite of having better graphics ...

The $200 Gamecube was outsold by the $300 PS2 inspite of having better graphics ...

The $200 N64 was outsold by the $200 Playstation inspite of having better graphics ...

All else being equal people will choose better graphics, but lets face it all else has never been equal and probably never will be. People choose to buy the Playstation over the N64 because it had a far larger library of games which lead to it having more good games; people chose the PS2 over the Gamecube and XBox because it had a far larger library of games which lead to it having more good games.


 

And how many years was the PS2 on the market before the xbox xame out?



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Predicting the Future - Wii will NOT win this gen in America!!


Prediciting the Future - The PS3 will pass the Wii by 2009!!

Louie said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
What Louie says is absolutely true, and in my opinion, there is another point coming with this generation which makes the graphics even less important.
The Wii hasn't won yet and graphics mean more than you will admitt.
I think graphics have become good enough with the sixth generation for most of the consumers. Back in the fifth generation, the graphics really showed that they need an improvement and sometimes the gameplay was handicapped because of the graphics as well. but with the ps2, the gc and the xbox graphics have come to a point were the average consumer is happy with it. i mean, many people say that the graphic of wii sports look crappy, but no average consumer will notice
You never played a PS2.. those graphic sucked ass and had slow loading times. The graphics this gen for the 360 and PS3 have peaked. I vowed after the PS2 thing I would never buy a weak console again. The graphics were grainy on some games and it was obvious. Play RE4 on PS2 and on GC to get my point...Nasty!

 

i recently talked with a 14-year old boy who plans to buy a x360. i asked him why he wants it, and he answered because of its beautiful graphics. i asked him then why he don't want to buy a ps3 because it has better graphics, but he did not accept that point and said that ps3-graphics are even worse than xbox. he was not joking, he really meant it, and this proves my point. he has been told that x360 has great graphics, but he can't distinguish between xbox, x360 and ps3 graphics anymore because they all look good to him.

Most experts agree the 360 has better graphics as the power between the two systems isn't great. But I can't varify if this happen with you, so I will just pass.

 

1) No, the Wii hasn´t won but it sells without HD. And I just say: NES, SNES, PSX, PS2, GB, DS... and you said the PS2 graphics suck - so why did it won?

 

2) Graphics never meant that much but you will never notice it. You´re nearly alone with your opinion of graphics selling everything so why does Nintendo Fanboy has to admit something? you have....

 

3) bad graphics can´t destroy a game. Bad developed graphics can make a game bad. If you´ve got glitches over glitches in a game it´s bad - but I really like Zelda 64 more than Twilight Princess and I prefer FF7 over FF12. So what? Am I a fool now?

 


 

 

What? What in the hell do 2 and 3 have to do with what I said? Were you reading another post while typing this?



Predicting the Future - 360 Will get to 11 Million in the USA this year!!

Predicting the Future - Wii will NOT win this gen in America!!


Prediciting the Future - The PS3 will pass the Wii by 2009!!

HappySqurriel said:
 

Well the $300 XBox was outsold by the $300 PS2 inspite of having better graphics ...

The $200 Gamecube was outsold by the $300 PS2 inspite of having better graphics ...

The $200 N64 was outsold by the $200 Playstation inspite of having better graphics ...

All else being equal people will choose better graphics, but lets face it all else has never been equal and probably never will be. People choose to buy the Playstation over the N64 because it had a far larger library of games which lead to it having more good games; people chose the PS2 over the Gamecube and XBox because it had a far larger library of games which lead to it having more good games.


lol come on... 

What Xbox game in 2001 looked better then GT3 of FFX.... yahh NONE.

What GC game looked beter then MGS3 FFX or GT3..... yahh NONE.  Since when did xbox or GC have anything better lookig then God of War ?

 N64 got owned cause of Nintendos idiot decision to use cartriges and not CD.



I'm pretty sure RE 4 beats MGS in that department.



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