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kowhoho on 22 August 2010
Johann said:
kowhoho said:
Johann said:

Well, here it is again.

The piracy issue.

This threads never go anywhere.

Just this time though, I'll speak my mind.

I'm for piracy. Yeah that's right... I think it does more good than bad in the end of the day.

I don't think I could explain why fully to most of you, as my reasons are related to the fact that I live in a 3rd world country in which the prices of games are obscenely high, and also on the fact that historically, every highest software selling console of its generation was also the most pirated one. In other words, I strongly believe that the vast majority of pirates are not in fact potential buyers who don't do it because they're cheap.

I know I don't help the situation by doing what I do, but in no way it could be argued that I make it worst, as I am in no way whatsoever a potential buyer of new games.

The combination of your troublesome circumstances and your Bruce Campbell avatar has left me sympathetic to your cause. I've read other stories similar to yours, and I understand completely, but I wasn't trying to complain about people like you in the first place, in case you thought I was calling you out. Actually I have visited several third-world countries including Nepal and India, so my feelings go beyond sympathy.

Happy gaming, brother. Maybe one day your support of the game industry will be fiscally viable.

Thank you so much for saying that.

I seriously hope that they find a way to make the prices here go down.

You see, movie DVD prices here are actually somewhat fair (in most cases anyway), so not only do I not mind buying them, I prefer to do so on the account that I like supporting the movie industry.

I'd do the same for the games industry if it wasn't for the fact that something like 60% of the price of a new game here does not go to anyone involved with the industry, it goes to the government. So in my mind it would be like I'm rewarding these fuckers for making the price of the games 3 (sometimes 4) times higher than they should be. To me that's just fucking unethical.

I had no idea >:( Those dirty bastards!



I survived the Apocalyps3

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Onibaka on 22 August 2010
Johann said:
Onibaka said:
Johann said:

Well, here it is again.

The piracy issue.

This threads never go anywhere.

Just this time though, I'll speak my mind.

I'm for piracy. Yeah that's right... I think it does more good than bad in the end of the day.

I don't think I could explain why fully to most of you, as my reasons are related to the fact that I live in a 3rd world country in which the prices of games are obscenely high, and also on the fact that historically, every highest software selling console of its generation was also the most pirated one. In other words, I strongly believe that the vast majority of pirates are not in fact potential buyers who don't do it because they're cheap.

I know I don't help the situation by doing what I do, but in no way it could be argued that I make it worst, as I am in no way whatsoever a potential buyer of new games.

Não acho que a a pirataria faça mais bem do que mal. Justo quando as coisas tavam indo bem aqui no brasil...Eu mesmo deixei de virar pirata justamente pelo PS3. Compro pouquissimos jogos, mas é outra satisfação....

-------

I don't think that piracy does better than worse. When thing were going well here in Brasil. I'm not a pirate anymore , for example, and i know more cases of it. PS3 transformed the habits of many gamers here.


Brasileiro!

O que eu queria explicar no meu post era que eu acredito que a maioria dos piratas aqui do Brasil, assim como eu, não são compradores em potencial de jogos novos. Isso se dá pelo fato de que somos uma nação pobre (o preço de um jogo novo é em média de 40% a 50% do salário mínimo, o que sinceramente não acredito que seja justo). Ninguém vai deixar de pagar R$10,00 ou R$20,00 em um jogo para pagar R$230,00.

O debate da pirataria é um assunto bem complexo. O fato de eu acreditar que pirataria faz mais bem do que mal é outra história com outros argumentos. O principal do meu post era o parágrafo de cima mesmo.

Eu posso ateh entender mtos casos. Mas alguns não ão pra suportar. Tem muita gente por ai com condições de sustentar um VG, mas nao fazem por conveniencia. Meus gastos ateh agora:

-Killzone 2 LBP = R$S63

-Uncharted 2 = R$56

-Final Fantasy XIII  = R$50

Até que nao eh taaanto assim, neh?



poroporo on 22 August 2010

1. Change game ID to pretend you're playing Modern Warfare 2

2. ???

3. Games !

 

It will be circumvented and made undetectable. I'm sure TeamJungle can help them with that.



Johann on 22 August 2010
Onibaka said:
Johann said:
Onibaka said:
Johann said:

Well, here it is again.

The piracy issue.

This threads never go anywhere.

Just this time though, I'll speak my mind.

I'm for piracy. Yeah that's right... I think it does more good than bad in the end of the day.

I don't think I could explain why fully to most of you, as my reasons are related to the fact that I live in a 3rd world country in which the prices of games are obscenely high, and also on the fact that historically, every highest software selling console of its generation was also the most pirated one. In other words, I strongly believe that the vast majority of pirates are not in fact potential buyers who don't do it because they're cheap.

I know I don't help the situation by doing what I do, but in no way it could be argued that I make it worst, as I am in no way whatsoever a potential buyer of new games.

Não acho que a a pirataria faça mais bem do que mal. Justo quando as coisas tavam indo bem aqui no brasil...Eu mesmo deixei de virar pirata justamente pelo PS3. Compro pouquissimos jogos, mas é outra satisfação....

-------

I don't think that piracy does better than worse. When thing were going well here in Brasil. I'm not a pirate anymore , for example, and i know more cases of it. PS3 transformed the habits of many gamers here.


Brasileiro!

O que eu queria explicar no meu post era que eu acredito que a maioria dos piratas aqui do Brasil, assim como eu, não são compradores em potencial de jogos novos. Isso se dá pelo fato de que somos uma nação pobre (o preço de um jogo novo é em média de 40% a 50% do salário mínimo, o que sinceramente não acredito que seja justo). Ninguém vai deixar de pagar R$10,00 ou R$20,00 em um jogo para pagar R$230,00.

O debate da pirataria é um assunto bem complexo. O fato de eu acreditar que pirataria faz mais bem do que mal é outra história com outros argumentos. O principal do meu post era o parágrafo de cima mesmo.

Eu posso ateh entender mtos casos. Mas alguns não ão pra suportar. Tem muita gente por ai com condições de sustentar um VG, mas nao fazem por conveniencia. Meus gastos ateh agora:

-Killzone 2 LBP = R$S63

-Uncharted 2 = R$56

-Final Fantasy XIII  = R$50

Até que nao eh taaanto assim, neh?


Vc tah contrabandeando essa porra?

Me diga, em nome de Jesus, onde vc conseguiu por esses preços??!?



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Qual é, Dadinho...?

Dadinho é o caralho! Meu nome agora é Zé Pequeno!

HKN on 22 August 2010
haxxiy said:

It does keep people for playing online with a backup game, but it seems to be pretty much it... You can still uninstall the manager, play it online with your MW2 disc and then install it again to play offline backups.


I think I read that once you have installed it you can't delete it.



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Onibaka on 22 August 2010
Johann said:
Onibaka said:
Johann said:
Onibaka said:
Johann said:

Well, here it is again.

The piracy issue.

This threads never go anywhere.

Just this time though, I'll speak my mind.

I'm for piracy. Yeah that's right... I think it does more good than bad in the end of the day.

I don't think I could explain why fully to most of you, as my reasons are related to the fact that I live in a 3rd world country in which the prices of games are obscenely high, and also on the fact that historically, every highest software selling console of its generation was also the most pirated one. In other words, I strongly believe that the vast majority of pirates are not in fact potential buyers who don't do it because they're cheap.

I know I don't help the situation by doing what I do, but in no way it could be argued that I make it worst, as I am in no way whatsoever a potential buyer of new games.

Não acho que a a pirataria faça mais bem do que mal. Justo quando as coisas tavam indo bem aqui no brasil...Eu mesmo deixei de virar pirata justamente pelo PS3. Compro pouquissimos jogos, mas é outra satisfação....

-------

I don't think that piracy does better than worse. When thing were going well here in Brasil. I'm not a pirate anymore , for example, and i know more cases of it. PS3 transformed the habits of many gamers here.


Brasileiro!

O que eu queria explicar no meu post era que eu acredito que a maioria dos piratas aqui do Brasil, assim como eu, não são compradores em potencial de jogos novos. Isso se dá pelo fato de que somos uma nação pobre (o preço de um jogo novo é em média de 40% a 50% do salário mínimo, o que sinceramente não acredito que seja justo). Ninguém vai deixar de pagar R$10,00 ou R$20,00 em um jogo para pagar R$230,00.

O debate da pirataria é um assunto bem complexo. O fato de eu acreditar que pirataria faz mais bem do que mal é outra história com outros argumentos. O principal do meu post era o parágrafo de cima mesmo.

Eu posso ateh entender mtos casos. Mas alguns não ão pra suportar. Tem muita gente por ai com condições de sustentar um VG, mas nao fazem por conveniencia. Meus gastos ateh agora:

-Killzone 2 LBP = R$S63

-Uncharted 2 = R$56

-Final Fantasy XIII  = R$50

Até que nao eh taaanto assim, neh?


Vc tah contrabandeando essa porra?

Me diga, em nome de Jesus, onde vc conseguiu por esses preços??!?


O Kz2 e LBP foram comprados usados na Game.co.uk. O kz2 ta ridiculamente barato.

O Uncharted 2 eu compre a versão Platinum na Shopto.net por uns £15 frete.

O FFXIII eu comprei na Shopto.net usando uns creditos de uma promoção da copa do mundo q vc ganhava creditos ao acertar resultados. Mas mesmo com os creditos teve uma epoca que ele tava mais barato ainda, e eu acabei nao aproveitando.

Vale lembrar que esses jogos não são lançamentos. E eu tive sorte pra caramba por não ser taxado. Esse tópico desse forum pode te ajudar: http://forum.outerspace.terra.com.br/showthread.php?t=120022



Nomad Blue on 22 August 2010
Johann said:

Well, here it is again.

The piracy issue.

This threads never go anywhere.

Just this time though, I'll speak my mind.

I'm for piracy. Yeah that's right... I think it does more good than bad in the end of the day.

I don't think I could explain why fully to most of you, as my reasons are related to the fact that I live in a 3rd world country in which the prices of games are obscenely high, and also on the fact that historically, every highest software selling console of its generation was also the most pirated one. In other words, I strongly believe that the vast majority of pirates are not in fact potential buyers who don't do it because they're cheap.

I know I don't help the situation by doing what I do, but in no way it could be argued that I make it worst, as I am in no way whatsoever a potential buyer of new games.

Theft does more good than bad?

If the games are too high a price for you to afford, then don't buy the system in the first place.  Using high prices of games as a justification of theft is a nonsense excuse.  Should people in the UK be able to drive into a petrol station, fill up their tanks, and drive off without paying because of the high price(/tax)?  Should people be able to walk into Harrods and walk out with stuff without paying because it costs more than they can afford?

That attitude really annoyos me, and seems to be more and more prevalent in society.  "I can't afford it, but I want it, so I'll just steal it".



RafaelOrix on 22 August 2010
Onibaka said:
Johann said:
Onibaka said:
Johann said:
Onibaka said:
Johann said:

Well, here it is again.

The piracy issue.

This threads never go anywhere.

Just this time though, I'll speak my mind.

I'm for piracy. Yeah that's right... I think it does more good than bad in the end of the day.

I don't think I could explain why fully to most of you, as my reasons are related to the fact that I live in a 3rd world country in which the prices of games are obscenely high, and also on the fact that historically, every highest software selling console of its generation was also the most pirated one. In other words, I strongly believe that the vast majority of pirates are not in fact potential buyers who don't do it because they're cheap.

I know I don't help the situation by doing what I do, but in no way it could be argued that I make it worst, as I am in no way whatsoever a potential buyer of new games.

Não acho que a a pirataria faça mais bem do que mal. Justo quando as coisas tavam indo bem aqui no brasil...Eu mesmo deixei de virar pirata justamente pelo PS3. Compro pouquissimos jogos, mas é outra satisfação....

-------

I don't think that piracy does better than worse. When thing were going well here in Brasil. I'm not a pirate anymore , for example, and i know more cases of it. PS3 transformed the habits of many gamers here.


Brasileiro!

O que eu queria explicar no meu post era que eu acredito que a maioria dos piratas aqui do Brasil, assim como eu, não são compradores em potencial de jogos novos. Isso se dá pelo fato de que somos uma nação pobre (o preço de um jogo novo é em média de 40% a 50% do salário mínimo, o que sinceramente não acredito que seja justo). Ninguém vai deixar de pagar R$10,00 ou R$20,00 em um jogo para pagar R$230,00.

O debate da pirataria é um assunto bem complexo. O fato de eu acreditar que pirataria faz mais bem do que mal é outra história com outros argumentos. O principal do meu post era o parágrafo de cima mesmo.

Eu posso ateh entender mtos casos. Mas alguns não ão pra suportar. Tem muita gente por ai com condições de sustentar um VG, mas nao fazem por conveniencia. Meus gastos ateh agora:

-Killzone 2 LBP = R$S63

-Uncharted 2 = R$56

-Final Fantasy XIII  = R$50

Até que nao eh taaanto assim, neh?


Vc tah contrabandeando essa porra?

Me diga, em nome de Jesus, onde vc conseguiu por esses preços??!?


O Kz2 e LBP foram comprados usados na Game.co.uk. O kz2 ta ridiculamente barato.

O Uncharted 2 eu compre a versão Platinum na Shopto.net por uns £15 frete.

O FFXIII eu comprei na Shopto.net usando uns creditos de uma promoção da copa do mundo q vc ganhava creditos ao acertar resultados. Mas mesmo com os creditos teve uma epoca que ele tava mais barato ainda, e eu acabei nao aproveitando.

Vale lembrar que esses jogos não são lançamentos. E eu tive sorte pra caramba por não ser taxado. Esse tópico desse forum pode te ajudar: http://forum.outerspace.terra.com.br/showthread.php?t=120022

Brasileiro aqui também. E eu compro meus jogos pelo Shopto, lá é muito barato e até hoje não tive nenhum problema! Em breve vou comprar Uncharted 2, 18 euros é baratíssimo (mais 4,50  euros de frete). Com o PS3 também deixei de apoiar a pirataria, obviamente tenho menos jogos que antes, mas agora eles são muito mais valorizados por mim. Ah, jogos do PSN também são uma boa oportunidade.

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For those wo doesn't understand portugues, I just said I'm not getting pirate games anymore after the PS3 since I can import games here by a low price through Shopto.net (and similars) or buy PSN games. I hope Sony find a way to block this PSJailbreak.



Johann on 23 August 2010

@Rafael & Onibaka:

Porra com esses preços, eu também vou começar a importar. Valeu mesmo pela dica!

@Nomad Blue:

I won't bother explaining to you the difference between theft and copyright infrigement. I'm sure someday someone will tell you.



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Qual é, Dadinho...?

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kooties on 23 August 2010

ethical or not, some people pirate and it's a case to case basis.

 

I for instance, pirate my 360 multiplats ONLY when I've already bought them for my PS3 / PC. I still legally buy PS3 games, and 360 exclusives. Reason is that I also live in a third world country, and I have a Sony importer who sells games almost at the same price of the U.S which is acceptable for me, but the 360 games cost 2-3x more than that (I rarely buy 360 games). It might be wrong, but I think I'm justified in a sense that I've already supported a developer once, and I don't really want to pay for the game again at a higher price, just to play with a different controller (don't use Live either, so I don't take up any of their server space).