Uhm, I've seen (and heard) many times that third parties and Nintendo do not mix well, which is one of the reasons many third parties do not develop games for Nintendo systems.

However, do we have any documented proof that third parties have complained? I'm not denying that it's true, I'd just like to see what problems third parties actually have with Nintendo.

Nintendo has tended to reach out to third parties much more now than previously.

A lot of the "complaints" are really hard feelings from the past monopolistic practices of the NES (and SNES) era, the hesitancy to move to disc-based medium, or personality conflicts with former Nintendo management.

Mike from Morgantown

It's common knowledge that many developers have complained, though I'm not going to spend a ton of time finding links and quotes. I'll give you LucasArts as the perfect example Nintendo and LucasArts had a disagreement on GameCube's online capabilities and Lucas Arts wanting some things from Nintendo to make the development process work easier. This lead to Lucas Arts voicing its outrage and leaving the GameCube early in its life for the PS2 and X-Box.

The N64 era saw Square and other companies voice their opionions and the GameCube era only saw more and more developers angry. Its only in 2006 when Nintendo really tried to win over the developers that complaints began to drop. But even in the GameCube era you have Sega and other publishers like EA and UbiSoft all having problems with developers who are upset with Nintendo.

They say FPS titles don't sell, hardcore games don't sell or they complain about the graphics just look at Factor5 at the beginning of the Wii.

Developers have voiced their anger about Nintendo I'm just too lazy to find the link. You should have read at least one developer interview by now where the developer did not like Nintendo's approach to gaming, they are fairly common. But you know screw them Nintendo has made great first party games since the 80's they no doubt can keep making high quality products with or without the third parties who are complaining!

I think it is the case more now that wii is so underpowered in comparison to the others, but I for one would love to see more 3rd party titles than nintendo's own stuff.  I like the nintendo in house games when it comes to certain stuff, but I would rather have more offerings like what the other consoles get instead of stripped down versions of the 360/PS3 releases.  Especially with the FPS games.  But I am content still with what I have to play on the Wii.  Just would be cool to see more.

I think the main problem is that 1st party Nintendo games sell much more than 1st party Sony or Microsoft games, so 3rd party developers see much fiercer competition in Nintendo consoles to sell their games. When Nintendo decides not to develop that many games (Wii music, Animal Crossing Christmas) the third party failed to capitalize, so Nintendo pushed the first party games again.

Nintendo is not the only company that developers and the like have taken issues with.  There was a developer at one GDC that said Microsoft's plan (at the time) "sent shivers down his spine."  The bad kind of shivers.  I want to say in 2003 or 2004.  A great many developers were displeased with Sega for all kinds of things, not the least of which was the way they handled the Sega-CD, 32X, and Saturn.  No medium is perfect, and even recall very early on that some developers found the PS2 difficult to work with, and the way Sony handled the PS3's launch no doubt disappointed more than a few of them.

The difference is that Nintendo fans seem to take it personally, and tend not to buy the 3rd party games.

Some Nintendo fans (admittedly including myself) actually think less of a game if it has been made by a 3rd party - I'm less likely to buy a 3rd party game than a Nintendo game, and I'm sure that I'm not alone.

So you really can't complain if you have lackluster 3rd party support

I don't ^^

It's cyclical, though. We tend to think less of 3rd party games because they are quite often inferior (and rarely do they try and engage around Nintendo, but merely copy their efforts on the same platform). That's why you get Nintendo fans hyped for stuff like The Conduit, which, while not all that great as an FPS, was definitely different than anything Nintendo's attempted so far on the platform. We don't want mediocre attempts to copy Nintendo games, which 3rd party games that make it to these platforms all too often are (and all the moreso this time with the two-bit attempts to copy the Wii _____ stuff.)

I support the games that are different from the Nintendo stuff i've bought. Sonic games, while platformers, have always had a different feel, and i buy those. I bought The Conduit, which will very well lead me to choose Conduit 2 over its competitors, i bought Crystal Bearers because it did something different, and Monster Hunter for similar reasons, as well as both No More Heroes games and MadWorld, because Nintendo doesn't do beat-em-ups.