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selnor on 22 August 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:

OK. SolidSnake is very very wrong.

The reason why SE is halting at the moment. Is M$ not allowing Live users to play on servers with PS3 users. 

It has nothing to do with 2 fees. 

PSU does not require gold. FF11 does not require gold and niether does MHO.

and why was that cause FF11 was an old game and MS wanted to get FF13.now they got it,they don't want to compromise again

and why does MHFO has GOLD as free??????

and cause MS is trying to enter japan

And I'll point out again.

Why would M$ change their server rule when FF11 sold so poorly on both the PS2 and 360. Both of these platforms were really poor. The 360 actually outselling the PS2 in less time.

thats cause FF11 was already an old game,FF13 was coming up and this would be a good way to get near SE

If I was M$ I would continue to hold fast. 200,000 sales lifetime is not enough to change policy.

thats why MS compromised for MHFO,good theory



What? M$ didnt comprise with MHFO. You can only play with other 360 users. M$ do not ask for you to be a Gold member to play paid Online MMO's. Because all the MMO's on 360 do not use the same Live format as normal online multiplayer. They are only accessed via Live. 

It has nothing to do with 2 fees. It never has. 

It's about allowing 360 owners to play competiton console players. Something the Live code forbids. 

It was fine with FF11, because you could only play with PC users. If anyone thinks FF14 will sell well on consoles they are dreaming. PS3 version will hit 400,000 Lifetime tops. Thats at best. The sales will be on PC where MMO's of this type are best suited. 

PSU on the other hand has consoles designed for it's style of play.



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darthdevidem01 on 22 August 2010
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:

OK. SolidSnake is very very wrong.

The reason why SE is halting at the moment. Is M$ not allowing Live users to play on servers with PS3 users. 

It has nothing to do with 2 fees. 

PSU does not require gold. FF11 does not require gold and niether does MHO.

and why was that cause FF11 was an old game and MS wanted to get FF13.now they got it,they don't want to compromise again

and why does MHFO has GOLD as free??????

and cause MS is trying to enter japan

And I'll point out again.

Why would M$ change their server rule when FF11 sold so poorly on both the PS2 and 360. Both of these platforms were really poor. The 360 actually outselling the PS2 in less time.

thats cause FF11 was already an old game,FF13 was coming up and this would be a good way to get near SE

If I was M$ I would continue to hold fast. 200,000 sales lifetime is not enough to change policy.

thats why MS compromised for MHFO,good theory



What? M$ didnt comprise with MHFO. You can only play with other 360 users. M$ do not ask for you to be a Gold member to play paid Online MMO's. Because all the MMO's on 360 do not use the same Live format as normal online multiplayer. They are only accessed via Live. 

It has nothing to do with 2 fees. It never has. 

It's about allowing 360 owners to play competiton console players. Something the Live code forbids. 

It was fine with FF11, because you could only play with PC users. If anyone thinks FF14 will sell well on consoles they are dreaming. PS3 version will hit 400,000 Lifetime tops. Thats at best. The sales will be on PC where MMO's of this type are best suited. 

PSU on the other hand has consoles designed for it's style of play.

Form Feedback FF14 is very much designed as a console MMO

In fact they have made it so that the main quests are pretty much like a single player FF in terms of story/characters but there is much more other optional stuff (tons of it) including guilds and so on for more traditional MMO players.

They are trying to bridge the gap.



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selnor on 22 August 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:

OK. SolidSnake is very very wrong.

The reason why SE is halting at the moment. Is M$ not allowing Live users to play on servers with PS3 users. 

It has nothing to do with 2 fees. 

PSU does not require gold. FF11 does not require gold and niether does MHO.

and why was that cause FF11 was an old game and MS wanted to get FF13.now they got it,they don't want to compromise again

and why does MHFO has GOLD as free??????

and cause MS is trying to enter japan

And I'll point out again.

Why would M$ change their server rule when FF11 sold so poorly on both the PS2 and 360. Both of these platforms were really poor. The 360 actually outselling the PS2 in less time.

thats cause FF11 was already an old game,FF13 was coming up and this would be a good way to get near SE

If I was M$ I would continue to hold fast. 200,000 sales lifetime is not enough to change policy.

thats why MS compromised for MHFO,good theory



What? M$ didnt comprise with MHFO. You can only play with other 360 users. M$ do not ask for you to be a Gold member to play paid Online MMO's. Because all the MMO's on 360 do not use the same Live format as normal online multiplayer. They are only accessed via Live. 

It has nothing to do with 2 fees. It never has. 

It's about allowing 360 owners to play competiton console players. Something the Live code forbids. 

It was fine with FF11, because you could only play with PC users. If anyone thinks FF14 will sell well on consoles they are dreaming. PS3 version will hit 400,000 Lifetime tops. Thats at best. The sales will be on PC where MMO's of this type are best suited. 

PSU on the other hand has consoles designed for it's style of play.

Form Feedback FF14 is very much designed as a console MMO

In fact they have made it so that the main quests are pretty much like a single player FF in terms of story/characters but there is much more other optional stuff (tons of it) including guilds and so on for more traditional MMO players.

They are trying to bridge the gap.

I'd be glad to be wrong on the sales of FF14.

But the past doesnt give alot of confidence to a comapny like M$ to change their rules.

Regardless. My point of the closed servers is FACTUAL.

There is no evidence to support the claim M$ want to charge for FF14 along with Square via Gold membership. It has always been very clear, M$ do not want cross console playing and this is the brick wall that has been hit with FF14 on 360 right now. 

That's what the closed server refers to. PC is fine. But Wii and PS3 is a no go. 

Why users here are making up BS about other stuff is beyond me, with absolutely no evidence to support their claims.



darthdevidem01 on 22 August 2010
selnor said:
darthdevidem01 said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:

OK. SolidSnake is very very wrong.

The reason why SE is halting at the moment. Is M$ not allowing Live users to play on servers with PS3 users. 

It has nothing to do with 2 fees. 

PSU does not require gold. FF11 does not require gold and niether does MHO.

and why was that cause FF11 was an old game and MS wanted to get FF13.now they got it,they don't want to compromise again

and why does MHFO has GOLD as free??????

and cause MS is trying to enter japan

And I'll point out again.

Why would M$ change their server rule when FF11 sold so poorly on both the PS2 and 360. Both of these platforms were really poor. The 360 actually outselling the PS2 in less time.

thats cause FF11 was already an old game,FF13 was coming up and this would be a good way to get near SE

If I was M$ I would continue to hold fast. 200,000 sales lifetime is not enough to change policy.

thats why MS compromised for MHFO,good theory



What? M$ didnt comprise with MHFO. You can only play with other 360 users. M$ do not ask for you to be a Gold member to play paid Online MMO's. Because all the MMO's on 360 do not use the same Live format as normal online multiplayer. They are only accessed via Live. 

It has nothing to do with 2 fees. It never has. 

It's about allowing 360 owners to play competiton console players. Something the Live code forbids. 

It was fine with FF11, because you could only play with PC users. If anyone thinks FF14 will sell well on consoles they are dreaming. PS3 version will hit 400,000 Lifetime tops. Thats at best. The sales will be on PC where MMO's of this type are best suited. 

PSU on the other hand has consoles designed for it's style of play.

Form Feedback FF14 is very much designed as a console MMO

In fact they have made it so that the main quests are pretty much like a single player FF in terms of story/characters but there is much more other optional stuff (tons of it) including guilds and so on for more traditional MMO players.

They are trying to bridge the gap.

I'd be glad to be wrong on the sales of FF14.

But the past doesnt give alot of confidence to a comapny like M$ to change their rules.

Regardless. My point of the closed servers is FACTUAL.

There is no evidence to support the claim M$ want to charge for FF14 along with Square via Gold membership. It has always been very clear, M$ do not want cross console playing and this is the brick wall that has been hit with FF14 on 360 right now. 

That's what the closed server refers to. PC is fine. But Wii and PS3 is a no go. 

Why users here are making up BS about other stuff is beyond me, with absolutely no evidence to support their claims.

I agree on your bolded, thats why I've basically ignored most of the discussion in this thread and just tried to annoy Jarrod lol



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

darthdevidem01 on 22 August 2010
selnor said:
darthdevidem01 said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:

OK. SolidSnake is very very wrong.

The reason why SE is halting at the moment. Is M$ not allowing Live users to play on servers with PS3 users. 

It has nothing to do with 2 fees. 

PSU does not require gold. FF11 does not require gold and niether does MHO.

and why was that cause FF11 was an old game and MS wanted to get FF13.now they got it,they don't want to compromise again

and why does MHFO has GOLD as free??????

and cause MS is trying to enter japan

And I'll point out again.

Why would M$ change their server rule when FF11 sold so poorly on both the PS2 and 360. Both of these platforms were really poor. The 360 actually outselling the PS2 in less time.

thats cause FF11 was already an old game,FF13 was coming up and this would be a good way to get near SE

If I was M$ I would continue to hold fast. 200,000 sales lifetime is not enough to change policy.

thats why MS compromised for MHFO,good theory



What? M$ didnt comprise with MHFO. You can only play with other 360 users. M$ do not ask for you to be a Gold member to play paid Online MMO's. Because all the MMO's on 360 do not use the same Live format as normal online multiplayer. They are only accessed via Live. 

It has nothing to do with 2 fees. It never has. 

It's about allowing 360 owners to play competiton console players. Something the Live code forbids. 

It was fine with FF11, because you could only play with PC users. If anyone thinks FF14 will sell well on consoles they are dreaming. PS3 version will hit 400,000 Lifetime tops. Thats at best. The sales will be on PC where MMO's of this type are best suited. 

PSU on the other hand has consoles designed for it's style of play.

Form Feedback FF14 is very much designed as a console MMO

In fact they have made it so that the main quests are pretty much like a single player FF in terms of story/characters but there is much more other optional stuff (tons of it) including guilds and so on for more traditional MMO players.

They are trying to bridge the gap.

I'd be glad to be wrong on the sales of FF14.

But the past doesnt give alot of confidence to a comapny like M$ to change their rules.

Regardless. My point of the closed servers is FACTUAL.

There is no evidence to support the claim M$ want to charge for FF14 along with Square via Gold membership. It has always been very clear, M$ do not want cross console playing and this is the brick wall that has been hit with FF14 on 360 right now. 

That's what the closed server refers to. PC is fine. But Wii and PS3 is a no go. 

Why users here are making up BS about other stuff is beyond me, with absolutely no evidence to support their claims.

I agree on your bolded, thats why I've basically ignored most of the discussion in this thread and just tried to annoy Jarrod lol



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

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jarrod on 22 August 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
jarrod said:
darthdevidem01 said:

Jarrod FFXIV will destory MH3 sales worldwide, look at the PC pre-orders at the moment, they are surprisingly strong.

Either way its set to be S-E's most profitable game this generation

After all FFXI still made $100 Million in 2009

And there will be a 360 release eventually

lol, no.  Even across PC & PS3 (& 360, lolz), FFXIV will probably only sell about half what MH3 does worldwide.

lawl lawl @ you

There is no way FFXIV will do less than FFXI (shipped 2 - 3 million).

PC pre-orders are very strong and online on consoles is much more popular this gen.

lol... FFXI didn't ship 2-3m, unless maybe you're counting up all expansion discs together added on top of copies of the base game.  And it's highest simultaneous subscriber base topped out around 500k, which is a figure MH Frontier managed before it even got the 360 port, and just in Asia alone at that.

I don't doubt FFXIV can beat out FFXI, but actually outselling MH3 (which is going to pass 2m soon) is going to be a tougher feat.  And if MHP3 is subscriber based, it'll easily take the crown almost immediately anyway.



jarrod on 22 August 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
Icyedge said:
jarrod said:
Icyedge said:
selnor said:
suoturska said:

Not cancelled? Well, I suppose it wouldn't be, since you cannot really cancel something that was never announced for release in the first place.


The 360 version is actually quite far into development. It was halted then started agian then halted again.

Official sources from either MS or Square? I never heard anything like that.

Read the OP.  The game originally started as a 360/Vista project codenamed "Requiem" too, pretty easy to google sources for that.

Resumes leaked existence of a 360 version being well into development too.  It went way farther than just talks, at least it did at one point.

Ive read the OP and theres nothing related to that, I dont quite understand why you tell me to read it. Beside, I wasnt able to find any information on project "Requiem", let alone one that would come from either MS or square. To my knowledge the first time FF 14 was announce (E3) it wasnt announce on 360. It always been the same speech from square enix since then, that they are looking with MS.

Now, I would be glad to learn more, can you point me to the sources of information you and selnor have? Also, if its a resumee "worked on project "requiem" for 360/vista", I would like to know what makes assume its FF14. Even if it doesnt come from square or MS themselves im open as long at it makes enough sense.

Sorry, it actually called "Rapture", not "Requiem". :/

Here's a link to the FFXIV 360 resume leak.


that is the wrong link

we are talking abt the PC/360 link not PC,360,PS3 link

Sorry, I was talking about a recent resume leak to FFXIV being developed on 360 also.  That resume leak is from earlier this year.

Rapture was the codename for FFXIV.  And when Rapture was announced for PS3/360/Vista, it was said to be in development by the FFXI team (ie: Hiromichi Tanaka's team, formerly Square Enix PDD3).  The FFXI wiki page actually outlines the timeline pretty well (a rarity for wiki).



Lyrikalstylez on 22 August 2010
JazzyJeez said:

It might not be a requirement to have a gold account, but I would have thought the vast majority of people who use their 360 for online would be gold subscribers, so in reality wouldn't most people be paying twice?



exactly what I was thinking, Unforunately selnor failed to comprehend this when he took my head off