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RafaelOrix said:
voty2000 said:

Why does everyone think a firmware update will stop the mod from working?  The wii has had a bunch of firmware updates and they get cracked within weeks.

If DigitalFoundry is right, that's actually not a hack. Someone stole/got a program (or code, have no idea) to run the PS3 as a debug unit, the same way devs have. The HDD backup is available for developers, plus they can run unsigned code. That's (probably) how these guys are running games from the HDD.

 

A simple software update plus new codes for developers would effectively cut out this "hack". new games would have this update and Sony forces some mandatory updates for online gaming, which would remove that code from these guys.

 

Feel free to correct me, as I understand just a little of this stuff. 

I really don't don't know.  The last time I modded a console for gaming was the original Xbox and I've put homebrew on the wii for the extras.  Microsoft tried to force firmware updates on games and such and all you had to do was load the game onto the console and the run a patching program to make it work.  And if they have already cracked one code they know how now and it probably won't take long to crack the new one.  I dunno, it just seems that from past experience, once a console is cracked, it's game over on stopping the mod scene.



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voty2000 said:
RafaelOrix said:
voty2000 said:

Why does everyone think a firmware update will stop the mod from working?  The wii has had a bunch of firmware updates and they get cracked within weeks.

If DigitalFoundry is right, that's actually not a hack. Someone stole/got a program (or code, have no idea) to run the PS3 as a debug unit, the same way devs have. The HDD backup is available for developers, plus they can run unsigned code. That's (probably) how these guys are running games from the HDD.

 

A simple software update plus new codes for developers would effectively cut out this "hack". new games would have this update and Sony forces some mandatory updates for online gaming, which would remove that code from these guys.

 

Feel free to correct me, as I understand just a little of this stuff. 

I really don't don't know.  The last time I modded a console for gaming was the original Xbox and I've put homebrew on the wii for the extras.  Microsoft tried to force firmware updates on games and such and all you had to do was load the game onto the console and the run a patching program to make it work.  And if they have already cracked one code they know how now and it probably won't take long to crack the new one.  I dunno, it just seems that from past experience, once a console is cracked, it's game over on stopping the mod scene.

Your 100% right on that. The hackers who work on the 360 for example usually update the scene with information when not to update your console, go on live ect, Until they find a work around for whatever new security feature that M$ puts in its updates or when there's a ban wave happening on Xbox Live.

They will figure out a work around should Sony manage to cancel out the feature or they will put out a patch for games that will allow you to remove the update if a newer game requires that you do so in order to play it.



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voty2000 said:

Why does everyone think a firmware update will stop the mod from working?  The wii has had a bunch of firmware updates and they get cracked within weeks.


Difference is that PSN won't work without a firmware, while Wii's Wifi will work without updating.

plus a lot of games won't work without the newest update you see.



I live for the burn...and the sting of pleasure...
I live for the sword, the steel, and the gun...

- Wasteland - The Mission.

This is a hardware hack to get into debug mode.  Change the way the hardware talks to the PS3 and that hack becomes useless until an updated SDK gets leaked again.  This hack won't be sustainable unless Sony can't change the way the PS3 gets into debug mode.



voty2000 said:

Why does everyone think a firmware update will stop the mod from working?  The wii has had a bunch of firmware updates and they get cracked within weeks.


Because the only firmware verison it works on is 3.41.

 

It doesn't work on anything before that so it's an easy fix.



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Severance said:
voty2000 said:

Why does everyone think a firmware update will stop the mod from working?  The wii has had a bunch of firmware updates and they get cracked within weeks.


Difference is that PSN won't work without a firmware, while Wii's Wifi will work without updating.

plus a lot of games won't work without the newest update you see.

My original xbox games wouldn't work without the firmware updates but all you had to do was run a program to patch the game and it worked just fine.  Right now, their are only a few people working on the mod, but once modding communities develop more of fanbase you'll have tons of people working of fixes to patch the latest firmware update and find ways to avoid force installs.  I don't know if it will be possible but it seems it's just a matter of time before more effective mods are developed. 

As for the PSN won't work, me and my buddies all had two consoles, one for single player that's modded, and a normal one for online play.  Again, Sony may be able to stop all future mods but history says otherwise.



voty2000 said:
Severance said:
voty2000 said:

Why does everyone think a firmware update will stop the mod from working?  The wii has had a bunch of firmware updates and they get cracked within weeks.


Difference is that PSN won't work without a firmware, while Wii's Wifi will work without updating.

plus a lot of games won't work without the newest update you see.

My original xbox games wouldn't work without the firmware updates but all you had to do was run a program to patch the game and it worked just fine.  Right now, their are only a few people working on the mod, but once modding communities develop more of fanbase you'll have tons of people working of fixes to patch the latest firmware update and find ways to avoid force installs.  I don't know if it will be possible but it seems it's just a matter of time before more effective mods are developed. 

As for the PSN won't work, me and my buddies all had two consoles, one for single player that's modded, and a normal one for online play.  Again, Sony may be able to stop all future mods but history says otherwise.

You first compared it with the Wii , now you jumped ship to the original xbox? , then talk about "IF THEY MAKE ONE IN THE FUTURE" the difference between now and then is that now is now and then is not now.



I live for the burn...and the sting of pleasure...
I live for the sword, the steel, and the gun...

- Wasteland - The Mission.

Severance said:
voty2000 said:
Severance said:
voty2000 said:

Why does everyone think a firmware update will stop the mod from working?  The wii has had a bunch of firmware updates and they get cracked within weeks.


Difference is that PSN won't work without a firmware, while Wii's Wifi will work without updating.

plus a lot of games won't work without the newest update you see.

My original xbox games wouldn't work without the firmware updates but all you had to do was run a program to patch the game and it worked just fine.  Right now, their are only a few people working on the mod, but once modding communities develop more of fanbase you'll have tons of people working of fixes to patch the latest firmware update and find ways to avoid force installs.  I don't know if it will be possible but it seems it's just a matter of time before more effective mods are developed. 

As for the PSN won't work, me and my buddies all had two consoles, one for single player that's modded, and a normal one for online play.  Again, Sony may be able to stop all future mods but history says otherwise.

You first compared it with the Wii , now you jumped ship to the original xbox? , then talk about "IF THEY MAKE ONE IN THE FUTURE" the difference between now and then is that now is now and then is not now.


I started talking about the Xbox in another post that didn't make it through to this quote, so I didn't outright jump ship, I kind got side tracked and you were not involved in the side tracking, if that makes since.  I brought up the Wii because it was more recent and I know a little about that scene, but I know a bunch about the original Xbox mod scene and brought it up because I know they had forced firmware updates on games, and I know how they got around it.  I'm not jumping ship, I'm kind of floating between them and hoping someone will pick me up. 

@ bolded, history repeats itself so now is kind of then and then is kind of now and I think then and now become one and the Matrix is formed or something.



voty2000 said:
Severance said:
voty2000 said:
Severance said:
voty2000 said:

Why does everyone think a firmware update will stop the mod from working?  The wii has had a bunch of firmware updates and they get cracked within weeks.


Difference is that PSN won't work without a firmware, while Wii's Wifi will work without updating.

plus a lot of games won't work without the newest update you see.

My original xbox games wouldn't work without the firmware updates but all you had to do was run a program to patch the game and it worked just fine.  Right now, their are only a few people working on the mod, but once modding communities develop more of fanbase you'll have tons of people working of fixes to patch the latest firmware update and find ways to avoid force installs.  I don't know if it will be possible but it seems it's just a matter of time before more effective mods are developed. 

As for the PSN won't work, me and my buddies all had two consoles, one for single player that's modded, and a normal one for online play.  Again, Sony may be able to stop all future mods but history says otherwise.

You first compared it with the Wii , now you jumped ship to the original xbox? , then talk about "IF THEY MAKE ONE IN THE FUTURE" the difference between now and then is that now is now and then is not now.


I started talking about the Xbox in another post that didn't make it through to this quote, so I didn't outright jump ship, I kind got side tracked and you were not involved in the side tracking, if that makes since.  I brought up the Wii because it was more recent and I know a little about that scene, but I know a bunch about the original Xbox mod scene and brought it up because I know they had forced firmware updates on games, and I know how they got around it.  I'm not jumping ship, I'm kind of floating between them and hoping someone will pick me up. 

@ bolded, history repeats itself so now is kind of then and then is kind of now and I think then and now become one and the Matrix is formed or something.





I live for the burn...and the sting of pleasure...
I live for the sword, the steel, and the gun...

- Wasteland - The Mission.

Severance said:
voty2000 said:
Severance said:
voty2000 said:
Severance said:
voty2000 said:

Why does everyone think a firmware update will stop the mod from working?  The wii has had a bunch of firmware updates and they get cracked within weeks.


Difference is that PSN won't work without a firmware, while Wii's Wifi will work without updating.

plus a lot of games won't work without the newest update you see.

My original xbox games wouldn't work without the firmware updates but all you had to do was run a program to patch the game and it worked just fine.  Right now, their are only a few people working on the mod, but once modding communities develop more of fanbase you'll have tons of people working of fixes to patch the latest firmware update and find ways to avoid force installs.  I don't know if it will be possible but it seems it's just a matter of time before more effective mods are developed. 

As for the PSN won't work, me and my buddies all had two consoles, one for single player that's modded, and a normal one for online play.  Again, Sony may be able to stop all future mods but history says otherwise.

You first compared it with the Wii , now you jumped ship to the original xbox? , then talk about "IF THEY MAKE ONE IN THE FUTURE" the difference between now and then is that now is now and then is not now.


I started talking about the Xbox in another post that didn't make it through to this quote, so I didn't outright jump ship, I kind got side tracked and you were not involved in the side tracking, if that makes since.  I brought up the Wii because it was more recent and I know a little about that scene, but I know a bunch about the original Xbox mod scene and brought it up because I know they had forced firmware updates on games, and I know how they got around it.  I'm not jumping ship, I'm kind of floating between them and hoping someone will pick me up. 

@ bolded, history repeats itself so now is kind of then and then is kind of now and I think then and now become one and the Matrix is formed or something.




I know what watching tonight.  Never thought Spaceballs would make it into this thread.

Edit:  That movie came out in 1987 and I saw it in theatres.  I was 3 years old, what  the hell is wrong with my parents?