With sleep comes my wherewithal.

@noname:

Specious reasoning at best. Role claims are infinitely more important than name claims, and any Mafia who would claim a character as big as Athena (who is one of the five most important characters in the first and third games) is an idiot.

More, the question about Kratos, even if I assumed him to be a villain, would require me to assume that our host, a man who named himself after the third game in this series and who has a Kratos avatar, must also see Kratos as a villain. My perceptions of Kratos, whether or not they change in the space of two years, does not begin to turn Kratos into some objective fact in the context of this game.

You are jumping at shadows; in the context of this game I can't blame you, but that's what it is. I would say the tenacity of my self-defense is more out-of-character than anything else up to this point, so I'm going to return to my old method of succinct and casual dismissal.

@Final-Fan:

I guess at heart I really don't want to lynch on the first day, so that may color my reasoning, but that doesn't sound like a good reason to lynch somebody.

Alright, stood up, reading all comments...

Khuutra, Noname, does Kratos alignment really matter? What We've already found out is that Kratos is most likely the serial killer, and furthermore, we found out that, if hatmoza is not lying, he in search of Kratos to change him to a Vigilante.  I imagine there is also a similar role for the scum.

So as long as Kratos isn't transformed in a Vigilante, he should be considered anti-town, because he is either Serial-Killer or, if odds are against us, he will be recruited by the mafia. Of cousre as SK he has also the chance to kill mafia players, but seeing that the pro-town always has to have more players than scum left to continue the game, chances are always higher that he targets a townie.

Also I want to apologize if I don't take part on the bigger discussions, You always seem to be most active when I'm asleep. Must be the different time zones. Im mean, most of Khuutra's and Noname's discussion was between 1 AM and 5 AM at my time zone for example.

1. My assumptions about Kratos's alignment do not matter, no.

2. The assumption that the Mafia are looking to recruit the serial killer works from the perspective of the games, but experienced players have said that they've never heard of the Mafia having that kind of role. Assuming they do is prudent, but it borders on paranoid.

3. The fact that Kratos hasn't answered hatmoza and didn't refute patapon's claim means he probably isn't going to be coming out (assuming he's read the topic - and I think it safe to assume that). With this in mind, he is definitely a threat to the town and needs to be treated as such.

Don't worry about timezones. I live in the Eastern time zone for North America, myself. Go Toronto.

wow, out one day (driving for 10 hours) andyou guyposted alot. constructive posts too.

so 1 thing on me

- i have a comp but can onlzy come to itvery so often, so for the next 4ays i'll beable to post butmostly in the evening.

I never heard of a role that could tansform a SK into a townie, either. I just assumed that if such a role exists for the town, the same could apply for the scum. So far it applied for every other role. Fair enough, it's just my third game, so excuse me that I don't know every role.

ok, why do you say i'd want to kill hatmoza? he was my master inmy first game and gave me his life in the second...

second, i am not hephaestos in this game, so yes it may get confusing =)

If you approve, my recommendation is that we call you Heph and the role Hephaestos to avoid further confusion.

I consider this post to be the start of the 48 hour timer for day one. Again, I'm willing to extend it if theres a lot of chatting going on and majority of you want it extended.

At this point it would damn stupid for the SK to come out. We have no proof that hatmoza really is telling the truth, maybe he is lying about his role and just wants the SK to come forward so he is an easy lynch target. Of course that would be good for the town, but honestly I don't think the SK would risk a lynch so early in the game.