From the list only Tetris and SMB are hardcore
| mai said: Tetris
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What the...!!!!
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1. Tetris - Depends
2. Super Mario Bros. - Yes
3. Super Mario Galaxy - Depends
4. Commander Keen - Dunno
5. Madden - No
6. Need for Speed - Dunno
7. Halo 3 - I guess...
8. Doom - Yes
9. GTA IV - No comment
10. Rayman Raving Rabbids - No
Tetris or Madden because of how long they have stayed relevant especially tetris, which has seen hardly any changes in gameplay since launch
| Chrizum said: I still don't know exactly what hardcore games are... please help me. |
I would consider all those games part of my vague quality-based descriptive "traditional core" Basically, a traditional-core game is one that embodies that quality level of what used to be core gaming on SNES/GEN/NES. I don't think any of them are hardcore. Hardcore, to me, equates to a necessary level of devotion, and relies on an level of entertainment that doesn't come from factors like Score (of any kind, be it kill ratio, time, etc), fun, or usefulness.
Hardcore, I believe, relates to a reward-based motivation that is incurred from the triumph over difficulty, the victory is the reward, and the technival prowess that is required serves as an empowering motivation.
That being said, there are several games that share this basis, but in another way it's easy to see how some of the games above could be played in a hardcore way. To reiterate, there are hardcore games, but there is also a way for the gamer to make a game hardcore.
Example of hardcore games:
Civilization
Pirates!
Bullet hell games like touhou or ikaruga
Shin Megami Tensei games
Demon's souls
Some fighters, most notably, the ones involving hundreds of moves or extremely fast gameplay
Custom League gaming modes in sports games.
| morenoingrato said: What the...!!!! ot: |
I don't get it. How is a platformer "HC game" if madden isn't? A platformer.
| theprof00 said: I would consider all those games part of my vague quality-based descriptive "traditional core" Basically, a traditional-core game is one that embodies that quality level of what used to be core gaming on SNES/GEN/NES. I don't think any of them are hardcore. |
Yeah, those SNES/NES games were as casual as it gets. Now the same games or even dumbed down versions of them are supposed to be considered hardcore. Please.
| Killiana1a said: It is harder to define what is a hardcore game now as a lot of games are played online. The easiest way to differentiate a hardcore game from a casual game, in my opinion, is the difficulty of the single player and the accessibility of the multiplayer. Lets use the FPS genre as an example: In the 1990s and during the early 2000s, FPS games had a single player campaign with bosses that were difficult at the least and impossible on the highest difficulty settings. Doom 2 and Duke Nuke'em 3D had really hard bosses. Nowadays, series such as Bad Company and Modern Warfare do not have a endgame boss or bosses in the traditional sense. What they have are scenarios that are difficult at first, but a piece of cake the 2nd time around. Concerning multiplayer, back when Unreal Tournament and the like was big, guns had recoil, there were no minimaps showing the location of the enemy player, and the concept of killstreak rewards and deathstreak rewards was not yet invented. All you had was your hand-to-eye coordination. To be good at multiplayer in a game such as Unreal Tournament, it took real skill in honing your hand-to-eye coordination in getting headshots. Nowadays, game such as Modern Warfare 2 are built for ease of accessibility in order to sell more copies. Skill in Modern Warfare 2 comes down to knowing the maps and all the hiding places to camp. You get 3 to 5 kills, go to a hiding place, activate your killstreak to call in a harrier strike, get 3 to 5 more kills from the killstreak, go to another hiding place, activate your chopper gunner, and you have a running 10 man killstreak (at least half from the killstreak reward). I am not saying that there are not Modern Warfare 2 players who could do just as good at Unreal Tournament. What I am pointing out is the obvious, FPS along the lines of Modern Warfare have built in accessibility to the point where it waters down the meaning of what it means to be good at an FPS. Take out the killstreak and deathstreak rewards, put in weapons with recoil (MW 2 has very few weapons with recoil and sway), open up the maps to allow sniping and run-and-gunning playstyles, and then you will have an honest FPS where skill matters and is instantly recognized without being clouded by accusations of being a no skill camper. |
Rather than what it takes to be good, I think it's more of "what is the motivation to be good".
Hardcore games, and hardcore-injected gaming revolves around overcoming insurmountable odds rather than simply "winning". The hardcore gamer and the games they play give tremendous reward whether you win or not. See, in your example, unreal's motivation to be good would be to be able to kill other players, besting others in combat puts your skill to test. Modern warfare on the other hand is not motivated by the kill, it is motivated by how many you can kill. This changes the aspect from skill based to score based. The natural progression for the score based gamer is to extend the toolset towards things that increase their score. The skill based gamer, almost completely the opposite, moves towards skill improvement regardless of the tool. The true hardcore is not exploitative, but subversive and adaptive.
Super Mario Galaxy is Hardcore "Simple".. its one of the most fustrating games ive ever played lol...
1. Tetris - Casual
2. Super Mario Bros. - Casual
3. Super Mario Galaxy - Casual
4. Commander Keen - I dont know what this is
5. Madden - Casual
6. Need for Speed - Casual
7. Halo 3 - Casual
8. Doom - Casual (non main stream)
9. GTA IV - Hyper Casual
10. Rayman Raving Rabbids - Casual
none of the above
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