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I would not support this, unless the gay bar is constructed right next to it, in the name of tolerance of course.



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most of the people don't care if you build a gay bar next door for the exact same reasons that they don't care if they build the mosque.  If they do care though then they are trying to have it both ways, and that is wrong.



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Garnett said:
Kantor said:
Garnett said:

Lets reverse it and see what it looks like (Note my opinion is probably extreme and i never wish for this to happen)

Christians build a church over the holocaust site, is it wrong?

Of course its not in America, but you get my point.

Plus Terrorist didn't destroy the WTC...

(My opinion)

 

Also i heard that the mosque isn't even on ground zero, but 2 blocks away. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Strange example, since the Nazis weren't actually Christian, but sure, that works.

And of course the mosque isn't on Ground Zero. The Memorial Centre is on Ground Zero.

According to THIS, He had Christian beliefs, but who cares about Hitler.

As long as you see my example, is all that matters.

If its not on ground zero, who cares? It seems like the Media is making the Muslim population out to be the bad guy. (IMO)

It's not so much the fact that it's two blocks away from Ground Zero that irks me. They can build it right next to Ground Zero, for all I care. It's the fact that they are deliberately placing it two blocks from Ground Zero, and even worse, that Obama actually comments on this and has the audacity to approve of it.

It seems to me as though the sole purpose of this move is to annoy people and shove individual rights in everyone's face. Obama is approving of it in a feeble attempt to make the Middle East like him.



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Arius Dion said:
Lostplanet22 said:
Arius Dion said:

LoL. So Freedom of religion, except for the religions we don't like? The moment you put parameters and disqualifiers on one thing, the whole thing becomes hypocritical or irrelevant.I'm agnostic, so I can care less, however our President did the right thing in upholding and interpreting the constitutional right of any religious group to take this course of action. Would it be any different if a synagogue were to be built 2 blocks from the WTC? I'm a New Yorker, not religious, and see no issue or controversy in what is happening here.

If anything I see much ado about nothing, to keep eyes looking one way while the shit we're supposed to be informed about goes unnoticed.

I'm not even convinced it was supposed islamic terrorists who attacked the US that day. Too many unanswered questions, too much rush to judgements and too many unprecedented events. Any time the word unprecedented turns up..I'm suspicious.

Nah,  if that was the truth their would be also a lot of drama when the other 30 mosque's opened..

So you think there'd be this 'controversy' if there was to be a church or synagogue built two blocks from WTC? I highly doubt that.

No,



 

so what are you saying?  That we should legislate sensitivity and intention?   Sorry but if you do that you're opening a whole bag of shit.  If they truly are making the mosque just to piss us off then i don't support the reason, but i completely support the freedom (as Obama said, he is supporting the freedom, you are making it out to be that he is just supporting muslims, he would do the same for any religion).  Muslims have to deal with people drawing Muhammad all over the place just for the purpose of pissing them off.  They can be against it but it is protected speech as it should be.   Putting a gay bar next to a mosque is insensitive but it is also protected for the exact same reasons.   Racist speech is insensitive but it is protected, these are all very important freedoms.



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Kantor said:
Killiana1a said:

This is equivalent to the US building a Japanese shrine dedicated to Emperor Hirohito at Pearl Harbor after the end of World War 2.

Shame on you Obama.

That is just about the most racist thing I have ever heard.

The bombing of Pearl Harbour was a decision made by the Japanese government in the 1940s. Emperor Hirohito represents Japan.

9/11 was orchestrated by extremists and terrorists who are despised by the vast majority of Muslims.

I don't agree with the building of this Islamic Centre, but only because it's a blatant move of political correctness, and I hate political correctness with a vengeance.

Moreover, this is some half-assed attempt to fix relations between the Islamic world and America, not any sign of genuine goodwill and feeling of equality, or he wouldn't be stressing the fact that it's two blocks away from Ground Zero.

It's moments like this in which I lose all sense of logic and really hope Obama is kicked out in two years.

Alright, if I rephrased it  to "This is equivalent to the US building a Japanese shrine at Pearl Harbor after the end of World War 2," then would I still get the same racism charge?

It is well known that Hirohito was on the same level of influence of Hitler and Mussolini. Like Hitler and Mussolini, Hirohito embodied the Japanese people just as Hitler embodied the Germans and Mussolini embodied the Italians during their reign of power.

Yes, what I have said can and has been construed as racist. Well, I apologize for invoking Hirohito's name. I am not racist and never mean my comments to be construed as such. However, with a topic as heated as this, I sometimes have emotional, knee-jerk reactions just like everyone else.

If anything, we should put the whole 9/11 memorial Mosque up for a vote through the families of those 3,000 who died on 9/11. I am willing to bet that it would be voted down by a margin of 3 to 1.



you can't put constitutional rights up for vote, same deal as gay marriage.  It doesn't matter if 100% of the people are against it. 



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johnsobas said:

you can't put constitutional rights up for vote, same deal as gay marriage.  It doesn't matter if 100% of the people are against it. 

No one has a right to marry just as no one has a right to drive. Rights don't requires licenses and both marriage and drivers licenses are the authority of each individual State. This is why some States allow Gay Marriage, others do not, and all States have similar but differing drivers license requirements. For example, Oregon requires an authentic US birth certificate to give out and renew driver's licenses, while Utah does not have the US birth certificate requirement.

As for the Mosque, I was asking a rhetorical question. Yes I am against it personally, but I do recognize it is 2 city blocks away from the WTC site and if this Islamic group has bought the land, then they have every US Constitutional right to build it.

Now, if the land where the Mosque will be built is owned by the City of New York, the Port or some other governmental entity, then whether it can be built could and should be put up for a vote.



well yeah if you are talking about public land obviously it would be put up for vote, this is private land, different case.

The government can't discriminate against a certain group like gay marriage, that is why the law was struck down as unconstitutional.  You can have different laws in each state, but they have to be (or are supposed to be) under equal rights protection.  Different driving requirements is irrelevent, that is an across the board issue, they don't discriminate for no reason like they do with gays. 



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johnsobas said:

you can't put constitutional rights up for vote, same deal as gay marriage.  It doesn't matter if 100% of the people are against it. 

Actually you can with 66% of the vote. Even freedom of religion and speech can be reverse as the Constitution was design that way. The Constitution was never intended to be  like the Ten Commandment , voice of God.