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Squall_Leonhart said:
tk1797 said:
I think we are all missing the point. He clearly thinks the 360 is fucking awesome and is bring Final Fantasy 13 to the console.

I find it funny how desperate people are to have FFXIII on the 360... It isn't going to happen, has been confirmed that it isn't numerous times!

Some people just don't listen i suppose... 


It was a fucking joke. I don't care if ff13 comes to the 360. I just thought it was getting too serious so I made a joke but I guess ps3 exclusivity is serious stuff since you're losing so many third party ones. Hint: That was another joke.



 

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Lost tears of Kain said:
I believe SE is waiting

they want to see how last remnant and LO do in the west on 360

if either of those break a million could easily persuade SE to make their games multi

I don't think LO as much a Last Remnant mainly because Last Remnant is multiplatform and they can compare the the 360 version sales to the PS3 version sales.



I'll take the case!!!

Even a not-so-good Dragon Quest Swords sold reasonably well in Japan.
If Squenix is willing to invest like say 10 million dollars in an AAA-title, it would definitely sell very very well.
So sorry, but I would to have say you are an idiot.



bumidan said:
@ Lost Tears of Kain and @Naznatips

From a 3rd Party Publisher, you have to look at it from their point of view. Questions and Data needed:

1. What is the attach rate of 3rd Party Wii Games? Obviously this does not include any Nintendo games. It might be quite low compared to PS3 and X360.

Quote: "As far as games not selling the console:
Week before SMG: 146,681. Week of SMG: 267,388 (+82%). You = wrong"

The better data to use should be a 3rd Party Title instead of SMGalaxy. Again, even if SMG increases Wii sales, it does not benefit any 3rd Party, in this case, directly - as they did not see any increased sales of their games.

Quote: "A few titles? It had 11 million sellers in the first year. That's more than the 360 (7) or PS3 (2), and it outsold the 360 in software in NA last week"

Same argument. Use only 3rd Party Games. As per my previous post, using VG Charts Data, there are only (3) 3rd Party Million Sellers.

Both of you have valid points. Of course, if the Wii continues to have massive sales, the userbase alone will help increase game sales, even if the attach rate is lower.

If you were a 3rd Party Video Game Publisher, using the data in place - more weight should be given to the console with a higher 3rd Party attach rate/success/track record.

Of course, like many have pointed out, it seems that Square Enix does not have any games (or very few) for X360. This quote may seem to point that it may have more games for the 360 - though of course there are other factors to consider still.

 Hey dude, you can not arrive late to the party change the music and think that it is ok. Your logic itself is not wrong and you made some good points, however your quoting is all wrong. For those that cared to read that long long Dodece`s post he said that:

1) Wii selling pattern is erratic

2) People buy the console without taking in regard current and future software releases

3) Those who care about core games are buying/playing other consoles

4) 3rd party sales are abysmal and yadda yadda yadda

Naznatips arguments (that you quoted out of context) debunk points 1 and 2. Your quoting make it look like they are refering to point 4 only.

Take a look at this. He does not say 3rd party only, he is talking about all software sales.

The console sells fantastically well regardless of the titles available for it. Consider that a moment. No matter what games are released, or what titles the system has in North America, and in Europe the console will sell fantastically. Remove the core AAA games, and the sales do not even budge downwards. Nintendo only delivered two of their three big titles for the year, and one of those wasn't exactly smoking. No third party developer has even given the console a major title this year. Still the console sells well.

At the moment AAA titles on the Wii are Nintendo only (IMO Capcom deserves it too).



Satan said:

"You are for ever angry, all you care about is intelligence, but I repeat again that I would give away all this superstellar life, all the ranks and honours, simply to be transformed into the soul of a merchant's wife weighing eighteen stone and set candles at God's shrine."

To: ItsaMii

Forgive me if I confused who was saying what. But I was just responding to some points, irregardless of who posted it.

As for the quote:
The console sells fantastically well regardless of the titles available for it. Consider that a moment. No matter what games are released, or what titles the system has in North America, and in Europe the console will sell fantastically. Remove the core AAA games, and the sales do not even budge downwards. Nintendo only delivered two of their three big titles for the year, and one of those wasn't exactly smoking. No third party developer has even given the console a major title this year. Still the console sells well.

I actually agree with this quote. So if Naznatips said this, I actually agree.

My point is, from the original thread title, that from the perspective of a 3rd Party Publisher, the CEO's opinion is valid, given that the sales of 3rd Party Wii games have not been so great.

All the AAA titles for Wii are made by Nintendo and most of the successful games are Nintendo games.

So as a 3rd Party publisher, this may "scare" you if you do make a game for the Wii. Because based on past numbers, the chances of selling a ton of games hasn't been there.

Of course, the future or a new game would always be different. But I am just saying that the CEO's quote has some point and logic to it - again as a 3rd Party Publisher.



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MontanaHatchet said:

"Final Fantasy: Wii Fit Edition" am cry. Why don't they get off their asses and start making the game!

I understand your frustration. If they make it it could be such a great game. It could bring in a ton of 20-60 year old woman into the market, the kind that like to read trashy romance novels. All the pieces are there: The Wii, the balance board, Squeeenix and a huge untapped market for video game romancing skills that utilize interactive story-telling. It would literally be the next wave.



Did someone even take the time to translate the article before bashing SE CEO ?
Because when I read the real japanese interview, I'm sorry to say it doesn't look as flamebait as what Kotaku put out.
It definitely doesn't come out as inflammatory at all. They even changed the flow of what is said.
I'm not trusting Kotaku at all on this one, sorry. I think they deliberately made a bad translation.
It's sad when these publications can't even get a translation right, like the last one where they understood the contrary to what was said. Stupid people.



A thread on this topic over at Arstechnica has someone translating the Wii related portions, and as ookaze says, it's not nearly as controversal as Kotaku is making out to be.

Wada: The Xbox 360 and PS3 segment of the market is doing very well and bringing in new customers. Obviously the older fans, i.e. the people who have been playing games for some time, are also coming back. The Xbox 360 is the polar opposite of the Wii. This is a machine that is completely geared towards hardcore gamers. If you compare the software attach rate of the Wii to the Xbox 360, you'll find that the Xbox 360 numbers are several times larger. It seems that the people who really like games are the ones buying the 360.

Interviewer: With that in mind, it must be difficult for third-party vendors to accumulate sales in the Wii market. For example, there must be many users who just buy Wii Sports at first, and then only play that.

Wada: It's certainly true that, based on what we're seeing right now, there are many users buying the Wii as a toy, and not as a game system. However, if that broader customer base were to enter the gaming market, you would end up with a considerable number of users. You can't say that the gaming industry, including third-party vendors, shouldn't make efforts to attract these customers into the gaming market. I think it's too early to come to any conclusions.

 



ItsaMii said:
No matter how hard I try I can not understand Sega and SE attitude towards Nintendo. They make a lot of money with second rate franchises and remakes on GBA and DS, but when it comes to Nintendo home consoles all they do is FUD talk. If they had stellar sales on PS3 and 360 I would understand.

 Its their loss. Nintendo seems to be doing just fine with no support from SE and some not-so-great games from Sega.

 



lazybum131 said:

A thread on this topic over at Arstechnica has someone translating the Wii related portions, and as ookaze says, it's not nearly as controversal as Kotaku is making out to be.

Wada: The Xbox 360 and PS3 segment of the market is doing very well and bringing in new customers. Obviously the older fans, i.e. the people who have been playing games for some time, are also coming back. The Xbox 360 is the polar opposite of the Wii. This is a machine that is completely geared towards hardcore gamers. If you compare the software attach rate of the Wii to the Xbox 360, you'll find that the Xbox 360 numbers are several times larger. It seems that the people who really like games are the ones buying the 360.

Interviewer: With that in mind, it must be difficult for third-party vendors to accumulate sales in the Wii market. For example, there must be many users who just buy Wii Sports at first, and then only play that.

Wada: It's certainly true that, based on what we're seeing right now, there are many users buying the Wii as a toy, and not as a game system. However, if that broader customer base were to enter the gaming market, you would end up with a considerable number of users. You can't say that the gaming industry, including third-party vendors, shouldn't make efforts to attract these customers into the gaming market. I think it's too early to come to any conclusions.

 


This make sense

Could we agree on this translation ?  



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