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hunter_alien said:
Faxanadu said:
a console is for playing games = it is a thing to play games = is a toy

WTF is he talking about. Big loss of respect here.

Not really ... you can play games , listen to music , watch movies , brows the internet and do many more with the PS3 ... its not a toy , its an entertainment sistem :)


Too bad for you it apparently doesn't have a spellchecker.



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CrazzyMan said:
“I think the current trend is that most people aren't buying the Wii as a game machine, but as a toy...
RESPECT. =)
Just what i was saying all the time. Just a toy. Like tamagochi, yo-yo and etc. =)

It seems that Sony isn't sure what it wants to do. Is it making high-end electronics or a game console for gamers? I want them to clearly define their console.”
YEAH! Bring it ON! =)
FFXIII FTW! =)

Yep, same arrogance as S.E., total respectless

@Hunter Alien, just in case you haven't noticed, you can also play games, listen to music, show photo's, browse on the Internet on the WII. Hell, you can even drop the classic games on a card and put it back on the WII,... which isn't even possible with the PS3.



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Wojtas said:
Well, some people just clearly can't grasp the reality surrounding them.

This is almost always the case you continue to say and believe something that is untrue, or becomes untrue. He's having a difficult time reconciling reality with his business plan and how he believed things were going to happen. Before the PS3 was released, it was a slam dunk from a business perspective. Now that it's clear SquareEnix made a mistake supporting the PS3 instead of the Wii, they're having a difficult time rationalizing it.

To those getting riled up about the Wii being called a toy: be realistic.  All video game systems are toys.  The PS3 is a toy.  The Xbox 360 is a toy.  They're all devices you play with to entertain you.



**** you Square Enix.

Assassins Creed, PES08, FIFA08, COD4 etc... all selling well says that the population clearly know that the PS3 is a gaming machine, you gigantic douchebag. I mean, Musou 5 has sold to nearly 25% of the PS3 userbase already and the PS3 software throughout November shows a great increase.

Seriously, I sometimes wonder what the **** this guy expects...

 

To those getting riled up about the Wii being called a toy: be realistic.  All video game systems are toys.  The PS3 is a toy.  The Xbox 360 is a toy.  They're all devices you play with to entertain you.

Go back and read what Wada said again and you will see that he doesn't think people are buying Wii's as a "Gaming device" but as a toy. The toy comment is not what's important, it's the gaming device that is important.



I see a lot of posters crying a river rather then discussing the topic. The Wii owners are not doing themselves any favors. You got an opinion from an unbiased source. Which explains much of where the industry is leaning. The theory that the Wii is more of a toy rather then a games console explains a great many things about its successes, and its failures.

The console sells fantastically well regardless of the titles available for it. Consider that a moment. No matter what games are released, or what titles the system has in North America, and in Europe the console will sell fantastically. Remove the core AAA games, and the sales do not even budge downwards. Nintendo only delivered two of their three big titles for the year, and one of those wasn't exactly smoking. No third party developer has even given the console a major title this year. Still the console sells well.

The logical conclusions is a simple one. The games are not selling people on the console. The console is selling people on the console. The control gimmick, and commercials with families acting like lunatics in front of a television screen. The games aren't actually important, and honestly thats why sources like Famitsu report the console sitting unused in homes after people tire of Wii Sports.

Other consoles appear to have a stronger core and hardcore presence. Those consoles owners buy more games for their console, and they buy more consistently. The 360 is the primary example of this. While I am sure there are some Wii owners out there with quite a library it is hard to imagine they make up the bulk of owners.

This argument that the console owners are just waiting for good games is utter nonsense. A gamer fiends for the experience of playing games so they would be buying the best games for the console even if they aren't all that impressive. A saltine is a banquet to a starving man. Seriously whats the logic of buying a console to only play a few titles, and wait for months till the next title you have to have.

He is just saying what many developers are thinking. The sales of the Wii look fantastic. The attach rate does not, and for a third party developer that does not look good. What good is it to develop a game for a console with a five percent attach rate, and to make matters worse they face off against Nintendo which is bound to get the first three purchases from consumers. They are in it to make money. They are in it to keep their jobs.

You have a problem with what he said then support your third party developers. Buy more games, and use your console more. Instead of hooking someone on the console hook them on the library.



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hunter_alien said:
Faxanadu said:
a console is for playing games = it is a thing to play games = is a toy

WTF is he talking about. Big loss of respect here.

Not really ... you can play games , listen to music , watch movies , brows the internet and do many more with the PS3 ... its not a toy , its an entertainment sistem :)


PS3 is, at first, a GAMing device... It has extra options but most people buy it to PLAY GAMES... Like kids trapped into an adult body. Same goes for 360.

Just that people don't like to admit they still play with toys, they're ashamed. I have no problem saying it however, I'm proud to be a gamer.



Dodece said:
I see a lot of posters crying a river rather then discussing the topic. The Wii owners are not doing themselves any favors. You got an opinion from an unbiased source. Which explains much of where the industry is leaning. The theory that the Wii is more of a toy rather then a games console explains a great many things about its successes, and its failures.

The console sells fantastically well regardless of the titles available for it. Consider that a moment. No matter what games are released, or what titles the system has in North America, and in Europe the console will sell fantastically. Remove the core AAA games, and the sales do not even budge downwards. Nintendo only delivered two of their three big titles for the year, and one of those wasn't exactly smoking. No third party developer has even given the console a major title this year. Still the console sells well.

The logical conclusions is a simple one. The games are not selling people on the console. The console is selling people on the console. The control gimmick, and commercials with families acting like lunatics in front of a television screen. The games aren't actually important, and honestly thats why sources like Famitsu report the console sitting unused in homes after people tire of Wii Sports.

Other consoles appear to have a stronger core and hardcore presence. Those consoles owners buy more games for their console, and they buy more consistently. The 360 is the primary example of this. While I am sure there are some Wii owners out there with quite a library it is hard to imagine they make up the bulk of owners.

This argument that the console owners are just waiting for good games is utter nonsense. A gamer fiends for the experience of playing games so they would be buying the best games for the console even if they aren't all that impressive. A saltine is a banquet to a starving man. Seriously whats the logic of buying a console to only play a few titles, and wait for months till the next title you have to have.

He is just saying what many developers are thinking. The sales of the Wii look fantastic. The attach rate does not, and for a third party developer that does not look good. What good is it to develop a game for a console with a five percent attach rate, and to make matters worse they face off against Nintendo which is bound to get the first three purchases from consumers. They are in it to make money. They are in it to keep their jobs.

You have a problem with what he said then support your third party developers. Buy more games, and use your console more. Instead of hooking someone on the console hook them on the library.

Well said Dodece, I would have written a similar reply, but I haven't the time at the moment.

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I think the sales of Wii games prove that:

a) It is not a single-use fad toy.
b) Third party games are not selling because they aren't good enough. All the development effort is spent on the X360 and PS3 and the games' high budgets mean few even break even (do you think MGS4 will sell 1 million on day one to an audience of est.



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Dodece said:
I see a lot of posters crying a river rather then discussing the topic. The Wii owners are not doing themselves any favors. You got an opinion from an unbiased source. Which explains much of where the industry is leaning. The theory that the Wii is more of a toy rather then a games console explains a great many things about its successes, and its failures.

The console sells fantastically well regardless of the titles available for it. Consider that a moment. No matter what games are released, or what titles the system has in North America, and in Europe the console will sell fantastically. Remove the core AAA games, and the sales do not even budge downwards. Nintendo only delivered two of their three big titles for the year, and one of those wasn't exactly smoking. No third party developer has even given the console a major title this year. Still the console sells well.

The logical conclusions is a simple one. The games are not selling people on the console. The console is selling people on the console. The control gimmick, and commercials with families acting like lunatics in front of a television screen. The games aren't actually important, and honestly thats why sources like Famitsu report the console sitting unused in homes after people tire of Wii Sports.

Other consoles appear to have a stronger core and hardcore presence. Those consoles owners buy more games for their console, and they buy more consistently. The 360 is the primary example of this. While I am sure there are some Wii owners out there with quite a library it is hard to imagine they make up the bulk of owners.

This argument that the console owners are just waiting for good games is utter nonsense. A gamer fiends for the experience of playing games so they would be buying the best games for the console even if they aren't all that impressive. A saltine is a banquet to a starving man. Seriously whats the logic of buying a console to only play a few titles, and wait for months till the next title you have to have.

He is just saying what many developers are thinking. The sales of the Wii look fantastic. The attach rate does not, and for a third party developer that does not look good. What good is it to develop a game for a console with a five percent attach rate, and to make matters worse they face off against Nintendo which is bound to get the first three purchases from consumers. They are in it to make money. They are in it to keep their jobs.

You have a problem with what he said then support your third party developers. Buy more games, and use your console more. Instead of hooking someone on the console hook them on the library.

ah yes, the wii and its 5% attach rate. Are you talking per game on average or 5% attach rate for all games combined compared to the console? I would love some numbers behind you 5% attach rate. 



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