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Antabus said:
Metallicube said:
Carl2291 said:
*Sound Of Rain said:

Why is everyone acting like the Wii had tons and tons of games in 2010 and the P.S.3 had nothing this year? Last time I checked with 1st Party games the P.S.3 has had:

M.A.G_MLB10 The Show_White Knight Chronicles_Heavy Rain_God Of War 3_Modnation Racers all come out in 2010.

The Wii has only had:

Endless Ocean Blue World_Sin And Punishment Star Successor_Super Mario Galaxy 2(Note both lists are for America which I consider to be the largest market) Also some people have been saying for weeks now that the Wii just got Wii Party which is untrue as only Japan has had Wii Party while America and Europe to get it until October 2010.

Learn your facts before posting dumb comments... The P.S.3 has had way more big games than the Wii easy so far in 2010. When Wii gets more big games later this year trust me the gap between the 2 will be a lot larger.

This just looks like you making excuses to try make it not sound as bad as it is for the Wii.

Sony supported the PS3 this year with quality title after quality title. And they STILL have a bunch more games left for the end of the year...

Who's fault is it that Nintendo hasn't released a bunch of games for the Wii this year...?

All i got from your post is Sony support there console a lot better than Nintendo support theres.

Nintendo has done their part of releasing quality games for Wii. The problem is mainly third parties, who are almost single handedly cutting the Wii's life shorter than its potential. Nintendo can't really control that, if they don't want to develop for the console, then they don't want to.


What? Isn't wii getting the most 3rd party games? They develop for the console, they just don't make the games you want.


The msot third party games? How many third party games are announced for the Wii? Not that many really. Every now and then a decent amount come out but seriously when you compare the Wii upcoming third party releases to the number comign out on either PS3 or X360 you can see a HUGE difference. Blame this on crappy Wii software sales on most third party titles.



 How our favorite systems are just like humans and sometimes have issues finding their special someone...

Xbox 360 wants to KinectPS3 wants to Move!  Why are both systems having such relationship problems?  The reason is they both become so infactuated with desire while watching the Wii as it waggles on by. They simply want what they can't have.

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LordMatrix said:
Antabus said:
Metallicube said:
Carl2291 said:
*Sound Of Rain said:

Why is everyone acting like the Wii had tons and tons of games in 2010 and the P.S.3 had nothing this year? Last time I checked with 1st Party games the P.S.3 has had:

M.A.G_MLB10 The Show_White Knight Chronicles_Heavy Rain_God Of War 3_Modnation Racers all come out in 2010.

The Wii has only had:

Endless Ocean Blue World_Sin And Punishment Star Successor_Super Mario Galaxy 2(Note both lists are for America which I consider to be the largest market) Also some people have been saying for weeks now that the Wii just got Wii Party which is untrue as only Japan has had Wii Party while America and Europe to get it until October 2010.

Learn your facts before posting dumb comments... The P.S.3 has had way more big games than the Wii easy so far in 2010. When Wii gets more big games later this year trust me the gap between the 2 will be a lot larger.

This just looks like you making excuses to try make it not sound as bad as it is for the Wii.

Sony supported the PS3 this year with quality title after quality title. And they STILL have a bunch more games left for the end of the year...

Who's fault is it that Nintendo hasn't released a bunch of games for the Wii this year...?

All i got from your post is Sony support there console a lot better than Nintendo support theres.

Nintendo has done their part of releasing quality games for Wii. The problem is mainly third parties, who are almost single handedly cutting the Wii's life shorter than its potential. Nintendo can't really control that, if they don't want to develop for the console, then they don't want to.


What? Isn't wii getting the most 3rd party games? They develop for the console, they just don't make the games you want.


The msot third party games? How many third party games are announced for the Wii? Not that many really. Every now and then a decent amount come out but seriously when you compare the Wii upcoming third party releases to the number comign out on either PS3 or X360 you can see a HUGE difference. Blame this on crappy Wii software sales on most third party titles.

According to vgchartz, wii has 910 games which has sold some units, 360 has 641 games and ps3 has 482 games. Which means that wii has the most third party games.

Wii gets plenty of 3rd party support, some people just don't happen to like them so they ignore them if doing so supports their argument.



Solid_Snake4RD said:
welshbloke said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:

@ Squilliam

I think that's a pretty good point about who may be buying the new 360s.


another good point is who is buying new 360s and no games

Personally I suspect the second hand market has a lot to answer for. If you are buying a console this late in the generation and it is not bundled then the sales pitch almost inevitable slides to the second hand market. Bascially it is very easy to buy lots of titles but have none show up in software sales.

 

now you are just drunk

it can't be that people are buying $299 hw  and then just can't buy software

and it just simply can't be that all have been doing it as 360 HW have been alot and SW have barely moved.

When i bought my 360 i bought 4 or 5 games with it, all of them were second hand, with that im saying that, of course, lots of people are upgrading,  probably the major chunk of the new sales are upgrades, but you have to consider also that many are from people with other consoles, that always wanted a 360 but never felt comfortably buying one, because it might broke down, but with the redesign they feel its safe to buy one now ,and these are gamers that are well informed and know how to get cheap games

Because the slim is still a novelty, it will always attract existing gamers  first be it existing 360 owners or other console owners, but when kinect launches  thats when we will see if microsoft can attract  new buyers in mass numbers

As i see it, microsoft as played a brilliant strategy so far, as far as i can tell  each slim is making profit(?) so resells are good for microsoft  but the big question is still unanswered, will the slim with kinect attract new buyers, thats the big question now that the following months will answer 



The Xbox 360 slim released 8 weeks ago. Since then it sold more than 1.75 million consoles. Before the Slim release, sales were about 80k a week --> So without the slim the Xbox 360 would have sold about 650k. So 1.1 million more Xbox 360 were sold than usual.

So you guys really think there were 1.1 million Xbox 360 owners upgrading? Sounds like nonsense.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

binary solo said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
welshbloke said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:

@ Squilliam

I think that's a pretty good point about who may be buying the new 360s.


another good point is who is buying new 360s and no games

Personally I suspect the second hand market has a lot to answer for. If you are buying a console this late in the generation and it is not bundled then the sales pitch almost inevitable slides to the second hand market. Bascially it is very easy to buy lots of titles but have none show up in software sales.

 

now you are just drunk

it can't be that people are buying $299 hw  and then just can't buy software

and it just simply can't be that all have been doing it as 360 HW have been alot and SW have barely moved.

I think welshie has a good point. If I ever get Wii or 360 I'll only be buying used games. There's probably only a few more PS3 games this gen I'll buy new. I've bought more PS3 games new than I did PS2 games, so my new game buying phase is almost over.

its not just you who is buying games so your excuse is full of shit

by your say all the old games should just stop selling cause new console owners would only buy used games but they are selling

As to Squillies idea that RROD fear has been holding people back, well for me there was no way I was buying a used phat 360 when the next gen starts. But now I'm almost certain to be buying a used 360s (prolly Arcade) a year or so after Nextbox releases. So take that for what you will.

sure but we aren't talking about used stuff here and still there would only be some fearing RROD not millions

 

fastyxx said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:
welshbloke said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:

@ Squilliam

I think that's a pretty good point about who may be buying the new 360s.


another good point is who is buying new 360s and no games

Personally I suspect the second hand market has a lot to answer for. If you are buying a console this late in the generation and it is not bundled then the sales pitch almost inevitable slides to the second hand market. Bascially it is very easy to buy lots of titles but have none show up in software sales.

 

I agree with this too. If I were to buy a PS3 from this point on, I would definitely be buying used games.


you agree on everything that makes sales of 360 seem to get new owners

if used games were then sales of old games would just drop and used game sales would increase

with amount of HW increase 360S has brought there should be some increase in SW but it has barely changed


I'd add that there just isn't a dominant game right now that all new buyers would get.  So even if they are buying a game or two, it's just spread across the hundreds of possibilities

yeah but the SW has barely moved so even that doesn't stand

nanarchy said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:
welshbloke said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:

@ Squilliam

I think that's a pretty good point about who may be buying the new 360s.


another good point is who is buying new 360s and no games

Personally I suspect the second hand market has a lot to answer for. If you are buying a console this late in the generation and it is not bundled then the sales pitch almost inevitable slides to the second hand market. Bascially it is very easy to buy lots of titles but have none show up in software sales.

 

I agree with this too. If I were to buy a PS3 from this point on, I would definitely be buying used games.


you agree on everything that makes sales of 360 seem to get new owners

if used games were then sales of old games would just drop and used game sales would increase

with amount of HW increase 360S has brought there should be some increase in SW but it has barely changed


Wrong, I already agreed with the existing owners idea, evidence can been seen in my original reply to you.....the "no shit" part. Go back and check it cause you seem to have missed it. You on the other hand act as if you ONLY agree with the one idea that has NO new 360 owners. 

As far as used games sales, is there a way to track that? I seriously don't know.

no i have never said only  old 360 owners are buying 360S

my view is that the main sales are from upgradation and few people are buying it and hence SW isn't increasing

there is noway to track used game sales

there are 2 things at play here.

1) it has been a very lean month for game releases, nothing new to buy = lower sales

2) why buy new when as there is nothing new out all the games can be bought cheaper second hand.

example, My brother purchased his first console this gen 2 weeks ago, he upgraded from his recently deceased ps2 to a 360s with 5 games, all 5 games were second hand, until mafia and then reach are released he will only purchase second hand.

man those are just excuses

if there are no games then why are people buying it

just because your brother purchased used games doesn't mean all people will

that way the old games would drown and people will just buy used games

scorptile said:

I myself think it could be possible for wii to sell like it did before. the key is them redesigning the wii and adding a HDMI port to it and maybe making it to where you can add a portable hard drive as well. then sells would increase again. plus they could do a redesign and keep the current one but drop the price of it down to 150. 

 

as for the other two consoles i think the ps3 has past its peak just because of the fact they already released their redesign and granted yes could use another price cut but i dont see sales affecting it that much. the 360s is at its peak right now so when the appeal is gone it will drop back down to where it was. i think all these sales is hinged on what nintendo is either thinking up or gonna try in the future to bump  sales back to where it was. 

redesign is another thing

abt HDMI adding,that as hardware upgrade and there is no use of that

and no it would just be like the other too

 

Wii doesn't have that many hardcores that will go out an startr upgrading like PS3 and 360 and the redesign effect is just temporary

PS3'S EFFECT REMAIING LONGER HAS MORE TO DO WITH PRICE CUT



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binary solo said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
welshbloke said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:

@ Squilliam

I think that's a pretty good point about who may be buying the new 360s.


another good point is who is buying new 360s and no games

Personally I suspect the second hand market has a lot to answer for. If you are buying a console this late in the generation and it is not bundled then the sales pitch almost inevitable slides to the second hand market. Bascially it is very easy to buy lots of titles but have none show up in software sales.

 

now you are just drunk

it can't be that people are buying $299 hw  and then just can't buy software

and it just simply can't be that all have been doing it as 360 HW have been alot and SW have barely moved.

I think welshie has a good point. If I ever get Wii or 360 I'll only be buying used games. There's probably only a few more PS3 games this gen I'll buy new. I've bought more PS3 games new than I did PS2 games, so my new game buying phase is almost over.

its not just you who is buying games so your excuse is full of shit

by your say all the old games should just stop selling cause new console owners would only buy used games but they are selling

As to Squillies idea that RROD fear has been holding people back, well for me there was no way I was buying a used phat 360 when the next gen starts. But now I'm almost certain to be buying a used 360s (prolly Arcade) a year or so after Nextbox releases. So take that for what you will.

sure but we aren't talking about used stuff here and still there would only be some fearing RROD not millions

 

fastyxx said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:
welshbloke said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:

@ Squilliam

I think that's a pretty good point about who may be buying the new 360s.


another good point is who is buying new 360s and no games

Personally I suspect the second hand market has a lot to answer for. If you are buying a console this late in the generation and it is not bundled then the sales pitch almost inevitable slides to the second hand market. Bascially it is very easy to buy lots of titles but have none show up in software sales.

 

I agree with this too. If I were to buy a PS3 from this point on, I would definitely be buying used games.


you agree on everything that makes sales of 360 seem to get new owners

if used games were then sales of old games would just drop and used game sales would increase

with amount of HW increase 360S has brought there should be some increase in SW but it has barely changed


I'd add that there just isn't a dominant game right now that all new buyers would get.  So even if they are buying a game or two, it's just spread across the hundreds of possibilities

yeah but the SW has barely moved so even that doesn't stand

 

r3av3r2k1 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
welshbloke said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
toadslayer72 said:

@ Squilliam

I think that's a pretty good point about who may be buying the new 360s.


another good point is who is buying new 360s and no games

Personally I suspect the second hand market has a lot to answer for. If you are buying a console this late in the generation and it is not bundled then the sales pitch almost inevitable slides to the second hand market. Bascially it is very easy to buy lots of titles but have none show up in software sales.

 

now you are just drunk

it can't be that people are buying $299 hw  and then just can't buy software

and it just simply can't be that all have been doing it as 360 HW have been alot and SW have barely moved.

When i bought my 360 i bought 4 or 5 games with it, all of them were second hand, with that im saying that, of course, lots of people are upgrading,  probably the major chunk of the new sales are upgrades, but you have to consider also that many are from people with other consoles, that always wanted a 360 but never felt comfortably buying one, because it might broke down, but with the redesign they feel its safe to buy one now ,and these are gamers that are well informed and know how to get cheap games

Because the slim is still a novelty, it will always attract existing gamers  first be it existing 360 owners or other console owners, but when kinect launches  thats when we will see if microsoft can attract  new buyers in mass numbers

As i see it, microsoft as played a brilliant strategy so far, as far as i can tell  each slim is making profit(?) so resells are good for microsoft  but the big question is still unanswered, will the slim with kinect attract new buyers, thats the big question now that the following months will answer 

again the same shit excuse as all oh i buy used games so it explains the SW sales

if that was the main issue then all old game sales would just drop and people would buy used games but no they are still selling

DirtyP2002 said:

The Xbox 360 slim released 8 weeks ago. Since then it sold more than 1.75 million consoles. Before the Slim release, sales were about 80k a week --> So without the slim the Xbox 360 would have sold about 650k. So 1.1 million more Xbox 360 were sold than usual.

So you guys really think there were 1.1 million Xbox 360 owners upgrading? Sounds like nonsense.


your logic is actually wrong

before slim,new consumers were buying 360 which is would have been 650k

and 1.1m that boosted by SLIM would be upgraders

 

and you really think that 1.1m people are buying  360s and no SW? SOUNDS like nonsense



It tool a while, but it's done. Hardware sales YOY:

 

Week Ending
07th Aug 2010

Week Ending
08th Aug 2009

Difference YTD 2010 YTD 2009 Difference
Wii 154,015 229,987 -75,972 7,663,847 8,110,194 -446,347
Xbox360 214,706 102,503 112,203 4,971,770 4,165,930 805,840
PS3 143,992 89,373 54,619 5,510,388 3,883,121 1,627,267
DS 279,030 414,200 -135,170 9,493,697
13,760,703
-4,267,006
PSP 81,621
136,392
-54,771
3,595,855
4,967,952
-1,372,097
PS2 32,207
 76,968  -44,761 1,387,980 2,890,932 -1,502,952

2010 vs. 2009 hardware sales spreadsheet



Rhonin the wizard said:

It tool a while, but it's done. Hardware sales YOY:

 

Week Ending
07th Aug 2010

Week Ending
08th Aug 2009

Difference YTD 2010 YTD 2009 Difference














PS3 143,992 89,373 54,619







PSP 81,621
136,392
-54,771







2010 vs. 2009 hardware sales spreadsheet


It almost looks like psp and ps3 switched sales



XB360 nice bump from Arcade, but obviously its best seller must be the Elite.

XB360 and PS3 are the only ones up YoY.

And PS2 up WoW.

Wii up WoW despite the slow period and not having any major release. Down YoY, but it hasn't played any of its cards for H2 2010 yet.



Stwike him, Centuwion. Stwike him vewy wuffly! (Pontius Pilate, "Life of Brian")
A fart without stink is like a sky without stars.
TGS, Third Grade Shooter: brand new genre invented by Kevin Butler exclusively for Natal WiiToo Kinect. PEW! PEW-PEW-PEW! 
 


I'm just wondering.... will we have this endless wii disscussion next week again?