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Cueil said:
vlad321 said:
Antabus said:
shio said:
More and more developers are leaving the GFWL service due to Microsoft's lack of effort in improving their own platform. PC gamers cheer for the death of GFWL! Bethesda switched over to Steam with Fallout: New Vegas, even though Fallout 3 was GFWL. Brink too will support Steamworks. THQ and Volition are leaving GFWL over Steamworks with their new title Red Faction: Armageddon. It's predecessor, Red Faction: Guerrilla, used GFWL. EIDOS is also abandoning the infamous Microsoft's service. Kane and Lynch 2 will be a Steamworks title, even though the first game used GFWL! Of course, this switch may very well be explained by the fact that Square Enix now owns EIDOS(SE's Last Remnant used Steamworks). 2K Games too is disappointed by Microsoft, as Mafia II will use Steamworks, breaking their GFWL usage Streak in big PC games. There are more examples of Devs leaving Microsoft for Valve, but you get the impact. Amazing Steamworks titles are coming to Steam in the near future, here's some of them: - Mafia II - Kane and Lynch 2 - Fallout: New Vegas - Civilization V - R.U.S.E. - Darksiders - Red Faction: Armageddon - Brink - Portal 2 - Torchlight 2 Long live the death of GFWL!

Now why would you like the competition to die? It might lower the prices if there are more competition on digital downloads!


Because GFWL can't even be called "copetition" it's so pathetic and shitty. The sooner it gets out of PC gamig the better it is going to get.

That's some crazy talk... not 3 years ago Steam was a barren waste land with Valve games and some other bullshit... GFWL just this year became a stand alone service and not just a background service and just because something runs on GFWL doesn't mean it can't be sold through steam as you see with Fallout 3

Difference is that Steam got better and already had a core fanbase of players playing Counterstrike: Source and Half-Life 2. Steam's growth and improvement was based on the foundations laid by Valve and those fans. GFWL hasn't improved and doesn't have any of those foundations.

In fact, the foundations are terrible as they even tried to charge gamers for the service, there are very few games on the service and those that are on there tend to be problematic. Even if MS start listening to users like Valve did, it'll be a long and tricky path for them before PC Gamers are willing to accept GFWL as a competitor to Steam. And if the customers aren't biting, neither are third-party devs.

As for the point on Fallout 3, I think most users would see that as more of a pain as you then have to deal with 2 different services and it gets very confusing. I get the feeling many users (arguably unfairly) blame MS and Bethesda for forcing extra hassle by incorporating GFWL on top of Steam etc.



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Foamer said:

Judging by the initial post here, even Microsoft look like they're finally acknowledging just how completely shit GFWL is- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404721 - it's an excellent thread in which GFWL's deficiencies are comprehensively pointed out and how it can be improved is discussed.

That's a long list of improvements for MS to be making...



Cueil said:
vlad321 said:
Antabus said:
shio said:
More and more developers are leaving the GFWL service due to Microsoft's lack of effort in improving their own platform. PC gamers cheer for the death of GFWL! Bethesda switched over to Steam with Fallout: New Vegas, even though Fallout 3 was GFWL. Brink too will support Steamworks. THQ and Volition are leaving GFWL over Steamworks with their new title Red Faction: Armageddon. It's predecessor, Red Faction: Guerrilla, used GFWL. EIDOS is also abandoning the infamous Microsoft's service. Kane and Lynch 2 will be a Steamworks title, even though the first game used GFWL! Of course, this switch may very well be explained by the fact that Square Enix now owns EIDOS(SE's Last Remnant used Steamworks). 2K Games too is disappointed by Microsoft, as Mafia II will use Steamworks, breaking their GFWL usage Streak in big PC games. There are more examples of Devs leaving Microsoft for Valve, but you get the impact. Amazing Steamworks titles are coming to Steam in the near future, here's some of them: - Mafia II - Kane and Lynch 2 - Fallout: New Vegas - Civilization V - R.U.S.E. - Darksiders - Red Faction: Armageddon - Brink - Portal 2 - Torchlight 2 Long live the death of GFWL!

Now why would you like the competition to die? It might lower the prices if there are more competition on digital downloads!


Because GFWL can't even be called "copetition" it's so pathetic and shitty. The sooner it gets out of PC gamig the better it is going to get.

That's some crazy talk... not 3 years ago Steam was a barren waste land with Valve games and some other bullshit... GFWL just this year became a stand alone service and not just a background service and just because something runs on GFWL doesn't mean it can't be sold through steam as you see with Fallout 3

3 years ago Steam was far better than GFWL has ever been.



shio said:

 Amazing 


- Kane and Lynch 2

 

 

 

you think kane and lynch 2 is amazing. o.O



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Scoobes said:

Even if MS start listening to users like Valve did, it'll be a long and tricky path for them before PC Gamers are willing to accept GFWL as a competitor to Steam. And if the customers aren't biting, neither are third-party devs.

All it needs is to be cheaper than steam and of course, those nice deals which steam has.



No, it also needs to be better than Steam as well, otherwise there's no point to it.



Antabus said:
Scoobes said:

Even if MS start listening to users like Valve did, it'll be a long and tricky path for them before PC Gamers are willing to accept GFWL as a competitor to Steam. And if the customers aren't biting, neither are third-party devs.

All it needs is to be cheaper than steam and of course, those nice deals which steam has.

Maybe, but Steam has quite a strong community these days. I'm not entirely sure that'll be enough now that users have multiple games tied to their Steam account, can use Steam to chat in and out of different games and play non-Steam games whilst still in Steam. I don't think lower price will be enough to move Steam users to GFWL.



Never tried GFWL, but Steam is really really bad. Never liked it.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

Severance said:

Steam is keeping PC gaming alive, Microsoft isn't giving a crap about PC gaming.

so the good choice obvious.



Keeping it alive? I thought PC gaming was rocking as always. I mean, just look at StarCraft II.