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Solid_Snake4RD on 12 August 2010
SleepWaking said:
lilc64 said:
SleepWaking said:
lilc64 said:
1337 Gamer said:

I would suggest you buy a single GTX 470 or a 480 rather than SLI two 460s. Some games have issues with SLI and crossfire. But thats just my suggestion.


I agree buy the single card solution never go SLI or crossfire. As far as cards I'd go ATi 5870 or Nvidia 480 if you can afford them. And its personal preference but 8 gigs of ram is a waste, I'd stick to 4gigs its more than enough to max all games at 1920x1200 AAmax AFmax.Cut some things and get the better video card i say. Also if you did go ati you need to look into another MB and what power supply you are using.

I just read this article (it's in Dutch but you can still read the graphs) and it's basically saying that you get a little bit more performance out of 2 GTX460's in SLI than a stand alone GTX480 and that if you were considering the GTX480 you should really look into the option of 2 GTX460's. It's also a little bit cheaper. Now I have 2 8800GT's in SLI and I never ran into any serious problems (only that they are noisy).

Maybe I'll stick to 4 gig of ram then, but I do make custom maps and levels in the Cry-Engine and that always takes up lots of memory (I can't always make what I want now because of memory shortage). Plus I like to use crazy texture mods.


Understood man, if you've had SLI and you like it i say go for it. A buddy of mine let me build his computer and i talked him into the dual card solution, it was fast but it suffered from microshuttering(on x2 cards dont know about single sli cards). Microshuttering is the biggest reason i always stick with a single gpu but it doesnt bother some. As far as ram goes it is your choice but 4gigs of DRR3 1600 or higher should be plenty for anyjob, dont shoot me for asking this but you are running an OS that supports that much ram right? I knew guys installing 6 gig of ram when xp only used 3.5.

I use windows 7, I'm not a complete idiot :P. Although I do keep track of hardware a little, I'm not an expert. That's only after I've made a new System. Then I know everything and than I kinda lose track again, till I buy a new PC.


its the same with me



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vlad321 on 12 August 2010
SleepWaking said:
vlad321 said:
SleepWaking said:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-sli-geforce-gtx-480,2694.html

I think i'll stick with 2 GTx460's in SLI, sorry guys.


If you want future proofing you get 1 GTX 480, and down the road in a few years when the single card isn't enough you SLI that. Currently you are already at the peak of what your system can do without buying a whole new set of cards. Also by the time that a single 480 isn't enough, they will be down in price. But whatever floats your boat.

The thing is always when I do want to upgrade then there are always newer and better graphic cards that beat 2 of the old even in SLI. Most of the time they aren't even much more expensive. Also I don't really like the power usage and warmth the GTX 480 produces.

The whole point is that the GT lines scale extremely well, in some games over 100%. So unless the future graphics cards have more than twice the power of a 480 you should be good. Also you are making absolutely NO sense. The heat and the powerusage of two 460s are higher than that of a single GTX 480. If you are so worried about those then just get a single GTX 480.

I don't know how you have set your mind on this but I can guarantee you that your cards will need to be upgraded around the same time that you will need to buy a 2nd GTX 480, and you will have to buy those new expensive ones to replace them instead of getting a, by then, cheaper one. But if you don't want to futureproof your PC that's your choice.



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disolitude on 12 August 2010

CPU - Great choice. Look at the 965 model if you see it for a similar price. I have one of those and I've overclocked it to 4 GhZ usinga  30 dollar after market heatsink and playing with voltage. Stable as a rock...

Motherboard - Not bad. I would try and find a 3 SLI board myself, even if its 30-40 euros more. You can add another card for added physx or go 3 SLI if you dare... :)

Graphics - GTX 465 is not doing so hot due to GTX 460 being almost as good and needing less power and heat. This is causing GTX465's to drop in price like rocks. In Canada I can get a EVGA GTX 465 ($209 canadian) for less than I can get GTX 460 1GB ($229 canadian). The main advantage is that GTX465 has more headroom for overclocking (its lower clocked than GTX 460) and that it can do 3 SLI.

Here is a little tip... If you can find this card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127514&cm_re=msi_gtx_465-_-14-127-514-_-Product) you are actually buying a GTX470. Sure it has GTX465's firmware but all you need to do is flash it (takes 2 minutes) and it gives you 1280 MB or mamory, 448 cores. MSI sent a 470 board with a 465 bios...but only with THAT card.

In any case, GTX 460 SLI is good enough if you don't plan on upgrading or getting 3 monitor surround...etc.

 

RAM - 4 GB is fine for Windows 7 64 bit. I have 4GB and have yet to see a situation where my unused ram was less than 800 MB with all guns blazing...

 

What about case (full tower FTW)? Power supply? (1000 watts minimum for future proofness!!!! :))



SleepWaking on 12 August 2010
disolitude said:

CPU - Great choice. Look at the 965 model if you see it for a similar price. I have one of those and I've overclocked it to 4 GhZ usinga  30 dollar after market heatsink and playing with voltage. Stable as a rock...

Motherboard - Not bad. I would try and find a 3 SLI board myself, even if its 30-40 euros more. You can add another card for added physx or go 3 SLI if you dare... :)

Graphics - GTX 465 is not doing so hot due to GTX 460 being almost as good and needing less power and heat. This is causing GTX465's to drop in price like rocks. In Canada I can get a EVGA GTX 465 ($209 canadian) for less than I can get GTX 460 1GB ($229 canadian). The main advantage is that GTX465 has more headroom for overclocking (its lower clocked than GTX 460) and that it can do 3 SLI.

Here is a little tip... If you can find this card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127514&cm_re=msi_gtx_465-_-14-127-514-_-Product) you are actually buying a GTX470. Sure it has GTX465's firmware but all you need to do is flash it (takes 2 minutes) and it gives you 1280 MB or mamory, 448 cores. MSI sent a 470 board with a 465 bios...but only with THAT card.

In any case, GTX 460 SLI is good enough if you don't plan on upgrading or getting 3 monitor surround...etc.

 

RAM - 4 GB is fine for Windows 7 64 bit. I have 4GB and have yet to see a situation where my unused ram was less than 800 MB with all guns blazing...

 

What about case (full tower FTW)? Power supply? (1000 watts minimum for future proofness!!!! :))

I've got a Cooler Master CM690, I'm pretty happy with it. I've got a 850 watt PSU which should be sufficient.



SleepWaking on 12 August 2010
vlad321 said:
SleepWaking said:
vlad321 said:
SleepWaking said:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-sli-geforce-gtx-480,2694.html

I think i'll stick with 2 GTx460's in SLI, sorry guys.


If you want future proofing you get 1 GTX 480, and down the road in a few years when the single card isn't enough you SLI that. Currently you are already at the peak of what your system can do without buying a whole new set of cards. Also by the time that a single 480 isn't enough, they will be down in price. But whatever floats your boat.

The thing is always when I do want to upgrade then there are always newer and better graphic cards that beat 2 of the old even in SLI. Most of the time they aren't even much more expensive. Also I don't really like the power usage and warmth the GTX 480 produces.

The whole point is that the GT lines scale extremely well, in some games over 100%. So unless the future graphics cards have more than twice the power of a 480 you should be good. Also you are making absolutely NO sense. The heat and the powerusage of two 460s are higher than that of a single GTX 480. If you are so worried about those then just get a single GTX 480.

I don't know how you have set your mind on this but I can guarantee you that your cards will need to be upgraded around the same time that you will need to buy a 2nd GTX 480, and you will have to buy those new expensive ones to replace them instead of getting a, by then, cheaper one. But if you don't want to futureproof your PC that's your choice.


My god, I often agree with your opinions and I truly think your a smart person, but it wouldn't hurt you to be nicer sometimes you know. I'm betting you don't have many friends (I don't need to hear your reply about the 100 friends you supposedly have). You really got a stick up your ass. Read the conclusion of review at Tom's hardware they seem to agree with me. I know the power usage of a single GTX 480 is less, but if I ever would buy a second it just uses to much. I'm of the opinion that 2 GTX460 in SLI is future proof. The GTX460 seems to be somewhat like the 8800GT when it came out and I am really happy about my choice back then. I could also have bought a single 8800 ultra, but I don't see how I would ever get around plugging a second one in. Also I don't want to spend more than 500 euro alone on graphics cards. When the time comes to ever buy a second GTX 480, there will probably be new features on the hardware then which just wouldn't work with an then old directx11 card. I'm buying a new PC now, not because I can't run the games anymore (because everything still runs fine), but because I can't use all the newer features. Of course I also want to be able to max everything out again, but that isn't possible with directx10 cards anyway. It will probably be the same case in 3 years from now.



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disolitude on 12 August 2010

@sleepwalker

Is there a reason why you are not considering GTX465? I don't know what the prices are in EU but in North America I can get the GTX465 for less than GTX460 1GB.

465 - http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130555

460 - http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130570

GTX460 and 465 are trading blows for benchmarks...one game has 460 winning and the other game has the 465. However, the 465 is clocked almost 100 mhz lower than the 460. Assuming that both cards overclock to ~800 mhz...GTX465 should eat the 460 for breakfast at same speed.

465 also supports tri SLI vs only 2 SLI...but has more heat and consumes 40 watts more per card.



SleepWaking on 13 August 2010
disolitude said:

@sleepwalker

Is there a reason why you are not considering GTX465? I don't know what the prices are in EU but in North America I can get the GTX465 for less than GTX460 1GB.

465 - http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130555

460 - http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130570

GTX460 and 465 are trading blows for benchmarks...one game has 460 winning and the other game has the 465. However, the 465 is clocked almost 100 mhz lower than the 460. Assuming that both cards overclock to ~800 mhz...GTX465 should eat the 460 for breakfast at same speed.

465 also supports tri SLI vs only 2 SLI...but has more heat and consumes 40 watts more per card.

It seemed like a great idea so I have definitely looked at that option and it's not cheaper here, it's 30 Euro more for a GTX 465. I have considered waiting for the price to go down because it surely will, but there still some disadvantages to the GTX 465, mainly temperature and power consumption but also length which will reduce airflow.