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Avinash_Tyagi on 06 April 2007
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kwaad said:
Because the Wii is going the wrong way for the games I like. PS2 games will do fine for my low budget, low graphics games. I dont need another console.

 The only thing that limits Wii games is the developers themselves, the Wii is more capable than an Xbox


 

Nice try Avinash. Xbox was LAST GEN, try comparing the Wii to the 360 and PS3 and see what you get. Won't be pretty. The thing that limits wii games is the lack of power the system has, more so compared to the 360 and PS3. And this hatred comes from an ex-nintendo fan who owned every nintendo consoles since the first nes.


 And yet the gameplay on the PS3 and 360 is still the same as last gen, only with shinier graphics.

Gameplay is not limited by the Wii's hardware, you can create the same games on the Wii, 

just forego all the shiny graphics 


 

How do you know that? And better yet what was wrong with it? Gameplay is limited on the Wii due to the lack if buttons so a lot of game don't benefit from the MD controller. Even people who like the Wii admitt that!

Shiner graphics? Maybe you should look at the specs of the systems and learn what game makers use them for and then you can see why the PS3 and 360 offer more potential and less limits than the Wii..Look at their better online and the PS3's sixaxis controller, then when you come from a well educated area then you will see how wrong you are.

 

And your no shiny graphics comments proves you like shitty looking games and your lack of knowledge of the industry in general. There is more to the PS3 and 360 than shiny graphics, which is NOT a bad thing. I suggest you figure out what that is than post again.


 Sorry no, the lack of buttons is not an issue any game that is doable on another console's controller is doeable on the Wii.

 

Show me where the added specs have changed the gameplay, its still the same games just better looking,  you can say I don't know but you haven't shown any proof to back up your argument, where has the gameplay changed in a way that wasn't doable last gen



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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jstam on 06 April 2007
Cobretti said:
  What I’m saying is variety is good. Why do we need to have 3 consoles again competing for the same thing. Change is good, accept it and move on fanboys.

Smack bang perfect there. 



Cobretti on 06 April 2007
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
Cobretti said:
lol who seriously cares about gfx for consoles. We all know PC will easily over take ps3 in no time. Consoles are meant to be fun for everyone to play. Only real serious gamers that care about gfx improvements would stick to a pc and upgrade their PC every 2years.Also this is so funny, when PS2 was competing against GCN and XBOX. PS2 fans weren't saying how shit the gfx were on ps2 and yet know that PS3 is out they like oh the Wii gfx suck, xbox360 gfx will soon be over taken by PS3 gfx with second generation of games.Personally they all have good things to offer.

Wii I much prefer the controls over standard regular controls because you know what it actually feels much easier and better to play. Look at red steel (flame me all you want) even though it wasn't perfect it felt more natural controlling the player rather then it is with dual analogue sticks. Also NO ONE can ARGUE sports games (like golf, baseball, madden) are much more fun to play traditionally over wii controller otherwise they are kidding themself.

XBOX360 offers some of the coolest franchises that are out there atm. Like Halo franchise, Gears of war. etc..

PS3 will eventually offer the best lighting and AI which will make it another direction of gaming that will be fun to experience. What I’m saying is variety is good. Why do we need to have 3 consoles again competing for the same thing. Change is good, accept it and move on fanboys.

 

Weak systems and bad graphics are why so many picked pc gaming, that and good online. So why shouldn' they get that market by getting more power and good online? Nobody said they HAD to use all of the power, just that they can if they wish.

I would be happier if everybody got over and stopped crying everytime somebody hates a system.

FYI, I had a PS2 and PS1..The graphics sucked on both. I liked GTA vice city and all games for the PS2 that were on XB better on XB.


 

 

EXACLTY why i said  PS3 will be outdated by PC anyway. The point was no one really buys a console for gfx but rather for the games they like. 

Eg all those PS3 fanboys crying that DMC 4 and possibly FF13 will go on xbox360 as well.  It don't matter if it does there are those that will buy the xbox for other reasons and those that buy a PS3 for the blue ray etc.. It all balances out. People get what they like all these console flaming and wars are pointless cuase if somone likes somehting so much they will never change their mind about it and it jsut ends up a constnat circle of the same arguments about why this is better that that.



DKII on 06 April 2007

It's mostly about AI and more enemies on the screen.  Try not to be as ignorant as they are when criticizing. ;)



PS360N64PSXBOX on 06 April 2007
Avinash_Tyagi said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kwaad said:
Because the Wii is going the wrong way for the games I like. PS2 games will do fine for my low budget, low graphics games. I dont need another console.

 The only thing that limits Wii games is the developers themselves, the Wii is more capable than an Xbox


 

Nice try Avinash. Xbox was LAST GEN, try comparing the Wii to the 360 and PS3 and see what you get. Won't be pretty. The thing that limits wii games is the lack of power the system has, more so compared to the 360 and PS3. And this hatred comes from an ex-nintendo fan who owned every nintendo consoles since the first nes.


 And yet the gameplay on the PS3 and 360 is still the same as last gen, only with shinier graphics.

Gameplay is not limited by the Wii's hardware, you can create the same games on the Wii, 

just forego all the shiny graphics 


 

How do you know that? And better yet what was wrong with it? Gameplay is limited on the Wii due to the lack if buttons so a lot of game don't benefit from the MD controller. Even people who like the Wii admitt that!

Shiner graphics? Maybe you should look at the specs of the systems and learn what game makers use them for and then you can see why the PS3 and 360 offer more potential and less limits than the Wii..Look at their better online and the PS3's sixaxis controller, then when you come from a well educated area then you will see how wrong you are.

 

And your no shiny graphics comments proves you like shitty looking games and your lack of knowledge of the industry in general. There is more to the PS3 and 360 than shiny graphics, which is NOT a bad thing. I suggest you figure out what that is than post again.


 Sorry no, the lack of buttons is not an issue any game that is doable on another console's controller is doeable on the Wii.

 

Show me where the added specs have changed the gameplay, its still the same games just better looking,  you can say I don't know but you haven't shown any proof to back up your argument, where has the gameplay changed in a way that wasn't doable last gen


 

*cough* Sixaxis controller....*cough* more power means they can do more with the games that they couldn't last gen. *cough* Gears of war and others couldn't be made last gen due to memory limitations and slow CPU's. Again, learn about the specs first, then talk.

 

Sorry yes! If not prove it! Prove to me that its not an issue instead of saying it.



Predicting the Future - 360 Will get to 11 Million in the USA this year!!

Predicting the Future - Wii will NOT win this gen in America!!


Prediciting the Future - The PS3 will pass the Wii by 2009!!

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Cobretti on 06 April 2007
DKII said:
It's mostly about AI and more enemies on the screen.  Try not to be as ignorant as they are when criticizing. ;)

haha funny that everyone here locally talks about how cool the gfx are. So i only state what views people i know have.

 



Avinash_Tyagi on 06 April 2007
DKII said:
It's mostly about AI and more enemies on the screen.  Try not to be as ignorant as they are when criticizing. ;)

 First off more enemies on the screen doesn't necessarily change the nature of the game, there is a limit to how many enemies can interact with the player at any one time, once you reach that point the rest are just eye candy, in addition you can have a ton of enemies on screen in a lot of games (RTS's have had that for a long time, all that's needed is a downgrade of graphics) As for AI, it has yet to show a noticible bump this gen, show me any game where the AI is that much more "intelligent".



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

jstam on 06 April 2007

ok so no doubt you guys are going to go round and round until you end up of topic which is the norm here, I'll just add my little piece and be done with.

All systems are trying to go to the next level with their games and systems its just that they all have gone their own ways in doing it. In the end they are trying to get you as immersed into the game as much as possible, you just have to ask yourself the question if graphics or interaction is your view of immersion...



Avinash_Tyagi on 06 April 2007
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kwaad said:
Because the Wii is going the wrong way for the games I like. PS2 games will do fine for my low budget, low graphics games. I dont need another console.

 The only thing that limits Wii games is the developers themselves, the Wii is more capable than an Xbox


 

Nice try Avinash. Xbox was LAST GEN, try comparing the Wii to the 360 and PS3 and see what you get. Won't be pretty. The thing that limits wii games is the lack of power the system has, more so compared to the 360 and PS3. And this hatred comes from an ex-nintendo fan who owned every nintendo consoles since the first nes.


 And yet the gameplay on the PS3 and 360 is still the same as last gen, only with shinier graphics.

Gameplay is not limited by the Wii's hardware, you can create the same games on the Wii, 

just forego all the shiny graphics 


 

How do you know that? And better yet what was wrong with it? Gameplay is limited on the Wii due to the lack if buttons so a lot of game don't benefit from the MD controller. Even people who like the Wii admitt that!

Shiner graphics? Maybe you should look at the specs of the systems and learn what game makers use them for and then you can see why the PS3 and 360 offer more potential and less limits than the Wii..Look at their better online and the PS3's sixaxis controller, then when you come from a well educated area then you will see how wrong you are.

 

And your no shiny graphics comments proves you like shitty looking games and your lack of knowledge of the industry in general. There is more to the PS3 and 360 than shiny graphics, which is NOT a bad thing. I suggest you figure out what that is than post again.


 Sorry no, the lack of buttons is not an issue any game that is doable on another console's controller is doeable on the Wii.

 

Show me where the added specs have changed the gameplay, its still the same games just better looking,  you can say I don't know but you haven't shown any proof to back up your argument, where has the gameplay changed in a way that wasn't doable last gen


 

*cough* Sixaxis controller....*cough* more power means they can do more with the games that they couldn't last gen. *cough* Gears of war and others couldn't be made last gen due to memory limitations and slow CPU's. Again, learn about the specs first, then talk.

 

Sorry yes! If not prove it! Prove to me that its not an issue instead of saying it.


 Actually Rein even said the main reason they don't want to use the Wii for Unreal engine three is the shader archtecture, not because the gameplay is affected, but just because it won't look as pretty.

 

Also if your best argument about controls is to compare the Wiimote to the Sixaxis 

then you really have no Idea what you're talking about 



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

PS360N64PSXBOX on 06 April 2007
Avinash_Tyagi said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kwaad said:
Because the Wii is going the wrong way for the games I like. PS2 games will do fine for my low budget, low graphics games. I dont need another console.

 The only thing that limits Wii games is the developers themselves, the Wii is more capable than an Xbox


 

Nice try Avinash. Xbox was LAST GEN, try comparing the Wii to the 360 and PS3 and see what you get. Won't be pretty. The thing that limits wii games is the lack of power the system has, more so compared to the 360 and PS3. And this hatred comes from an ex-nintendo fan who owned every nintendo consoles since the first nes.


 And yet the gameplay on the PS3 and 360 is still the same as last gen, only with shinier graphics.

Gameplay is not limited by the Wii's hardware, you can create the same games on the Wii, 

just forego all the shiny graphics 


 

How do you know that? And better yet what was wrong with it? Gameplay is limited on the Wii due to the lack if buttons so a lot of game don't benefit from the MD controller. Even people who like the Wii admitt that!

Shiner graphics? Maybe you should look at the specs of the systems and learn what game makers use them for and then you can see why the PS3 and 360 offer more potential and less limits than the Wii..Look at their better online and the PS3's sixaxis controller, then when you come from a well educated area then you will see how wrong you are.

 

And your no shiny graphics comments proves you like shitty looking games and your lack of knowledge of the industry in general. There is more to the PS3 and 360 than shiny graphics, which is NOT a bad thing. I suggest you figure out what that is than post again.


 Sorry no, the lack of buttons is not an issue any game that is doable on another console's controller is doeable on the Wii.

 

Show me where the added specs have changed the gameplay, its still the same games just better looking,  you can say I don't know but you haven't shown any proof to back up your argument, where has the gameplay changed in a way that wasn't doable last gen


 

*cough* Sixaxis controller....*cough* more power means they can do more with the games that they couldn't last gen. *cough* Gears of war and others couldn't be made last gen due to memory limitations and slow CPU's. Again, learn about the specs first, then talk.

 

Sorry yes! If not prove it! Prove to me that its not an issue instead of saying it.


 Actually Rein even said the main reason they don't want to use the Wii for Unreal engine three is the shader archtecture, not because the gameplay is affected, but just because it won't look as pretty.

 

Also if your best argument about controls is to compare the Wiimote to the Sixaxis 

then you really have no Idea what you're talking about 


 

Just what I thought, you are totally clueless. I got what I expected from you, NOTHING! I suggested you do your homework and learn about these things and instead you attacked me...Good work. You know nothing. I am done with you, move along little fanboy.



Predicting the Future - 360 Will get to 11 Million in the USA this year!!

Predicting the Future - Wii will NOT win this gen in America!!


Prediciting the Future - The PS3 will pass the Wii by 2009!!