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vanguardian1 said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
Entroper said:
If you just spent $600 on a PS3 because you'd rather have a console with some horsepower... and then you find out that this puny little Wii with "last-gen" graphics and selling for half as much is kicking ass and taking names, while the PS3 has had a not-so-incredible launch... yeah, I can see why you'd be upset. When people spend that much money on something, some of them need to feel justified. Ever listen to someone go on and on and on about a nice car that they own, putting down other cars in the same class? Same thing.

 

Or maybe some people just like the PS3 better? Ever thought of that? Happens you know, different tastes for different people.


 Can I say the same thing?  I can count about a dozen games for the Wii this year that I want, but I can't count even a dozen between the 360 and PS3, so what does that make me and my 40-game PS2 collection?


 

You can say the same..Different tastes for different people. No problem here. But if you liked the PS2 just wait and maybe some games will come out for the ps3 you like. 360 has some good ones...But thats me.



Predicting the Future - 360 Will get to 11 Million in the USA this year!!

Predicting the Future - Wii will NOT win this gen in America!!


Prediciting the Future - The PS3 will pass the Wii by 2009!!

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Yojimbo said:
vanguardian1 said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
Entroper said:
If you just spent $600 on a PS3 because you'd rather have a console with some horsepower... and then you find out that this puny little Wii with "last-gen" graphics and selling for half as much is kicking ass and taking names, while the PS3 has had a not-so-incredible launch... yeah, I can see why you'd be upset. When people spend that much money on something, some of them need to feel justified. Ever listen to someone go on and on and on about a nice car that they own, putting down other cars in the same class? Same thing.

 

Or maybe some people just like the PS3 better? Ever thought of that? Happens you know, different tastes for different people.


Can I say the same thing? I can count about a dozen games for the Wii this year that I want, but I can't count even a dozen between the 360 and PS3, so what does that make me and my 40-game PS2 collection?

People have different taste and people taste can change too? You might got tired of the games that come to the PS and want something new? That is a natural progress. Guess what I want new good games that is why I am not getting a Wii.

 


 

I am not getting a Wii due to my vow never to by a weak system again, I am not sold on the MD and all the games I want are on the 360 and PS3..And the only game wii has I would like is also on the gc...which I have. :)



Predicting the Future - 360 Will get to 11 Million in the USA this year!!

Predicting the Future - Wii will NOT win this gen in America!!


Prediciting the Future - The PS3 will pass the Wii by 2009!!

Guys, guys ;) I agree with PS360N64PSXBOX on this one. Arguing that any console is "more" fun is just wrong. Fun is about as subjective as you can get - and some people will *definitely* have more fun on a 360 or PS3 than a Wii (it also heavily depends on the games being played!). What you *could* argue is that MORE people are likely to have fun on a Wii - and these people are (generally) non-gamers, sucked in by the Wii controller. If I had a PS3 I would (more than likely) have fun with it. But I don't have one (various reasons), and due to lack of gaming time (etc..) am not likely to get one soon. For the hell of it, I'll share with you all my latest "Easter Wii" story... **** Took a one day holiday over Easter (Friday). With my partner/wife, her mother we went to a holiday house with some of her mothers friends (their place). We also brought the Wii (requested from several people...). They have a rather small (but decent TV - component inputs). In total, there were 2 mothers, 1 father (all around 50-60), their daughter (17), my partner & myself. I started with some VC - to test the system out. A few people looked at the system, but ignored it ("ohh, its a video game - whatever"). The daughter wanted to play something. She had played some N64/PS1 ages ago - and tried Super Mario, Sonic (VC) - but lost interest quickly. She then tried out Rayman. It didn't take long, before she was fully into it. Cow throwing, milking games.. then she hit jackpot - the dancing game(s). I remember thinking that these games were cute - but definitely not deep, or worth playing a lot. She loved it so much (simple controls, music) she spent most of the night playing this (I eventually set up score mode, so 2 people could play and take turns). Everyone then played this at some point (except the father, who was off doing something else). Its been a while since Ive seen something so simple, suck so many people (non-gamers!) into playing. Both mothers struggled on some of the medium/harder songs, but apart from that everyone had a blast. We also played some 2-player "Rabbit Hunt" games (17 yr old - "cool, this is like Time Crisis"). Its actually a lot of fun in 2-player mode, and I highly recommend it for people who haven't tried it ;) To finish off the night, I had a little surprise. The father hadn't played anything (or been that interested yet). But - I knew his weakness - FISHING!. Booted up Zelda, and jumped into the lure fishing area. The first time he saw me cast off, and get a bite - he roared his head off. He never actually played it, but we all sat there for about an hour wandering around the lake trying to catch fish. It was pretty hilarious (a few people took go's at trying..). The other thing that stood out to me was this - every one of them thought the GRAPHICS were awesome. Weather, reflecting water, leaves coming off trees and floating in the water, ripples from the oars/lure, sounds of the water/fish, etc. It even started raining at some point... they were blown away. By the end of the night everyone there had experienced the Wii. The daughter wants one for her birthday, and I think the parents will try and get one as well. But what's more, is the Wii manged to bond everyone in that room together successfully - at least for a few hours - and give them a taste of the videogame world. *** (sorry for the off-topic blabber... but I just wanted to share :>).



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PS360N64... As i said. All the fanboys are the same. It only takes a little time to grow up from that phase. Yes you ARE right, fun is not exclusive to anyone, but looking at how PS3 and 360 are being made "serious", Wii is for easy fun. Im not saying, that youre having less fun with your console than im having with mine. Or im not saying even that you could have more fun with Wii, than how much fun you could have with 360 or PS3. But most people propably can have more fun with Wii, than what they could have with its competitors. I think we both agree that its all about fun? Different people have different fun. If you think that its not the power that fanboys are afraid, then why do fanboys remember to mention the power every time someone mentiones consoles? Im not targeting this to you, but fanboys generally. And just like Entroper said about price being justified, paying a lot from hi-end console should get you some respect, but instead someone comes to say that i think mine is better, and it costs a lot less. Makes you feel someone to laugh at. Propably the reason for most overheated fanboys. And when someone overheats, they all do.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Kwaad said:
vaguardian1 said:

I've always been more frustrated with AI cheating than AI skills, I guess it's because I usually tear apart the AI's methods and figure out how to make it easy. :-/

 

So essentially I guess I can say I've never been overly impressed with an A.I. in any game so far.


Just becuase I can.

That is stupid AI. Stupid AI cheats.

Wii = stupid AI

Smart AI... is smarter than you. Smart AI cant be beaten. (unless your godly)

PS3 = smart AI

 

(I'm sorry but I love AI stuff, and I choke out my computer sometimes. (I can run oblivion at 1080p with everything on without hiccups or anything)

It takes one HELL of a CPU to do smart AI.


 Kwaad, once more you show us that you have absolutely no knowledge about IT and how things work inside computers. Don't disqualify yourself with such nonsense posts. I know you love sony, but you should also know that love makes blind. So accept the facts that there is NO such thing as smart AI.  And there probably won't be such a thing in the next 20-30 years.

Also accept the fact that it has nothing to do with brute force power but just with algorithms. 

 



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PS360N64 you really behave like a 5 year old child that is defending his favourite toy... calm down again nobody said Nintendo had a monopoly on Fun. You completly misread what Wiigirl said she was just annoyed about you saying the Wii is so much worse than any other console because of dozens of stupid reasons... that´s not fun to discuss anymore and it isn´t even a discussion at this point in time. It´s just you and your favourite toy. And your hate to all gamers who prefer another console... sorry I´m to tired to get through your hundreds of points now I just wanted to say you didn´t "hammer" anyone... you just behave like a crazy guy at least in my opinion.

 

Now shout at me I´ll go eating something



PS360N64PSXBOX said:
omgwtfbbq said:
just two things I want to add to this discussion: 1) PS3 has 256MB RAM. You don't add your video RAM to your PC's RAM do you? No, because video RAM is very specialised and can only be used for certain things. Same with PS3. So definitely 256 MB RAM. However, at the same time, it is unfair to say Xbox 360 has double the RAM, since its 512 is shared between the video and the CPU. Most likely it'll be split 50/50 by many developers anyway. 2) While AI is very computer intensive, it takes very different types of computers to do AI. While the CELL looks very good in terms of raw processing power, which could make for very powerful physics/graphics calculations, but the CELL is definitely not designed for AI, which requires lots of branch prediction and other things which are useless for physics and graphics. The SPE's are basically useless in this case, and the AI will have to be handled completely by the PPE, making it essentially worse than the Xbox360 for AI, and not incredibly more powerful than the Wii.

The PS3 has 256MB XDR and 256MB GDDR3 and the GPU can access the CPU memory. The 360 has 512 GDDR3 shared between the CPU and GPU....For laughs the Wii has 24 MB internal 1T-SRAM integrated into graphics package, 64 MB external GDDR3 SDRAM, 3 MB GPU texture memory..*snicker

 
 

omgwtfbbq is absolutely right. The PS3 has 256MB XDR RAM. And thats it!

the 256 MB GDDR VRAM is video only, so it will never be usable for anything else than graphics displaying. If the GPU can access the CPU memory, thats fine but it just means that the GPU has access to a theoretical total of 512 MB VIDEO memory. 

 But: Video Memory is not RAM!

 



I never understood console architecture. I had 1GB sdram changed to 1GB DDR then changed to 1GB DDR2. I would rather have 256DDR2 then 512sdr or ddr. But that logic is for computers dont know how console works. The point is how good is the XDR ram for the PS3?



 
Yojimbo said:
I never understood console architecture. I had 1GB sdram changed to 1GB DDR then changed to 1GB DDR2. I would rather have 256DDR2 then 512sdr or ddr. But that logic is for computers dont know how console works. The point is how good is the XDR ram for the PS3?


XDR RAM

I hope it helps to answer the question. 



Good to see this site is still going 

take a guy like Kwaad, a hardcore gamer: he buys the Wii because he kind of likes the idea of it and wants to try it. He gathers the family for a social game: his father beats him on golf, his wife on tennis and his mother on bowling, and on top of that, he's beaten by his younger brother on boxing. The next day he hides it in the attick collecting dust and buys the good new ps3 with a controller where you have to trigger three buttons to make a move on virtua tennis - now THAT is gameplay (and his family gives up, 'cause it's «too complex»).