Ok. Care to show me those figures for wii only and do the same for ps2 only? Not counting GBA/PSP/DS/PS3 or anything else but the wii and ps2. I guess you can, if it is so obvious. I'll be waiting.

It's called common sense. Try some, it's pretty good!

So, where are the figures to support your common sense? Nowhere to be seen? If you can't back something up with a fact, then it just your own assumption. I don't care about your assumptions.

"Marketshare is pretty irrelevant in the end. It's all about profits, and it's obvious that Nintendo has generated more profit with the Wii than Sony with the PS1 and PS2 combined."

Except the pursuit of raw profits is not the reason Sony and Microsoft are in the games business. Put it this way: are you including all the profits Sony made off sales of DVD movies that people bought because the PS2 popularized the DVD format?

Fact: Nintendo has made a profit on every Wii sold since launch. Sony sold most PS2's at a loss.
Fact: Nintendo has sold MUCH more software on Wii alone than Sony on PS1 and PS2 combined. I don't know by how much at the top of my head but look it up, it's staggering.
Fact: Wii is still tracking higher than PS2, so to compare the absolute amount of units sold at this moment is a skewed way to look at the amount of succes the console has.

Fact 1: Show me the numbers, the ones which prove that "Wii has generated more profit than ps1&ps2 combined".

Fact 2: You look it up, since you are the one who presented it as a fact. I think you are talking only about 1st party sales, but you have to count the income from third party game licenses and how much profit those 1st party games generated. I am especially interested seeing your figures for games like wii sports, wii fit and wii play. If you don't do that, you are once again assuming.

fact 3: Wii is tracking higher, true. Will that make it sell more than ps2 which is still selling? No. It might but that is not a sure thing. I don't believe it will.

Sure, Sony made a lot of money on third party software, but the margins are obviously much higher on first party software. There is no denying Nintendo sold a shitload of first party software this generation, possibly more than all of Sony's first party software ever.

Margins might be much higher on 1st party games. I just don't think that is the case with some of the top selling wii titles this gen. Wii sports, wii play and wii fit. Maybe wsr and wii fit plus too, I don't know about them at all. Anyway, it is still just speculation since we don't have the numbers for individual consoles.

Wii will win japan in the holidays. NA seems like a 360/Wii race, while i think EU will suffer the most unless something drastic occurs. Wii still has alot of cards up its sleeves, and i think the wii vitality sensor will come sooner than most think. We'll have to wait for it.

I know people get touchy when it's brought up, but I'd say the rise of handhelds this gen definitely brought in a new 'competitive' angle, and one PS2 never really faced (despite GBA's success, it was more delineated into a separate sub-market).    It's less an issue in the west (yet), but in Japan, DS distinctly took over the role that a traditional market leading home console would have and also wholly cannibalized the sort of 3rd party support that'd normally go to it.  PSP attracted a lot of development effort in Japan too (and still does)... if not for DS/PSP, I say it's easy to see how Wii would have attracted a whole lot more Japanese support and content, which in turn would have a worldwide impact on it's performance.  And really, this was something previous consoles like NES or PS2 never really had to deal with... saying PS2 had "more competition" is somewhat disingenuous, PS2 had a relatively narrower market to take over, and was also coming from a position of strength in it's generational transition (PS1 being the previous best selling console in history, unanimous industry support lined up prelaunch).  Really, PS2 had far, far fewer obstacles in it's way than Wii has faced...