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AkibaFan said:
The Xbox Man said:
AkibaFan said:
darkknightkryta said:
AkibaFan said:
geddesmond2 said:

This game is sounding like the way FF13 should have been. They should have made this one FF13 and called FF13, FF13-2 like the spin off they did for FF10 because basicly those to games where lame as fuck and unworthy of being named FF. This is just my opinion. Sorry if I offended anyone who liked FF10-2 and FF13. Its all down to a persons taste and those games didn't do it for me.

they cudnt

ff13 is the base mythology for all ff13 games.ff versus xiii and agito xiii have l'cie, fal'cie and gods from ffxiii.

ff13 wud hve to release before versus xiii and agito xiii and gud it did, ffxiii is one ov my favrites.

Here's the thing though, they're not sharing Fal'cie between the Final Fantasy games, they were supposed to share some crystal thingy idea that was never realized in Final Fantasy XIII and to be perfectly frank I think they abandoned the idea of sharing the the mythology between the three games a while ago.  Now I'm talking out of my ass and just going off of memory from what I remember 5 years ago when the three games were announced, so anyone feel free to prove me wrong, hopefully with a link so I can see what they're thinking with the game's story.  Oh on another note I didn't read too much of the front page with the random articles so if it's there sorry.

no they are sharing fal'cie.

Fal'cie etro is in versus xiii.

if u read ff13 datalog u wud know that 3 god's abandoned ff13's world, etro is one ov them and etro has come to the ff versus xiii world.

ff agito xiii is showing war betwn fal'cie's according to recent articles for it. (th other gods came to th ff agito xiii world)

theories say th games are on different planets in th same solar system.

What are you talking about? The datalog never says which worlds the God's went too, it just says the 3 God's abandoned Cocoon/Pulse. The rest is speculation.

Don't combine facts and speculation, that might be hard for you looking at your grammar and spelling skills.

i will report u to moderator if u insult me personlly like tht. And i wsnt doing stupid speculation. there is a portrait of goddess etro in th ff versus xiii trailer, u shud do sum research befor seying shit like tht.

Hit a nerve did I?

I didn't know about there being a portrait, fine.

But don't expect sympathy from me if you can't be bothered to post with correct spelling or if you can't be bothered to learn how to spell.



    
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The Xbox Man said:
darkknightkryta said:
AkibaFan said:
darkknightkryta said:
AkibaFan said:
geddesmond2 said:

This game is sounding like the way FF13 should have been. They should have made this one FF13 and called FF13, FF13-2 like the spin off they did for FF10 because basicly those to games where lame as fuck and unworthy of being named FF. This is just my opinion. Sorry if I offended anyone who liked FF10-2 and FF13. Its all down to a persons taste and those games didn't do it for me.

they cudnt

ff13 is the base mythology for all ff13 games.ff versus xiii and agito xiii have l'cie, fal'cie and gods from ffxiii.

ff13 wud hve to release before versus xiii and agito xiii and gud it did, ffxiii is one ov my favrites.

Here's the thing though, they're not sharing Fal'cie between the Final Fantasy games, they were supposed to share some crystal thingy idea that was never realized in Final Fantasy XIII and to be perfectly frank I think they abandoned the idea of sharing the the mythology between the three games a while ago.  Now I'm talking out of my ass and just going off of memory from what I remember 5 years ago when the three games were announced, so anyone feel free to prove me wrong, hopefully with a link so I can see what they're thinking with the game's story.  Oh on another note I didn't read too much of the front page with the random articles so if it's there sorry.

no they are sharing fal'cie.

Fal'cie etro is in versus xiii.

if u read ff13 datalog u wud know that 3 god's abandoned ff13's world, etro is one ov them and etro has come to the ff versus xiii world.

ff agito xiii is showing war betwn fal'cie's according to recent articles for it. (th other gods came to th ff agito xiii world)

theories say th games are on different planets in th same solar system.


Like I said talking out of my ass :p.  But yeah which datalog was this?  Is it locked away until you do the missions cause I saw none of this.  And the 3 god's was the one that made the humans and Fal'Cie part of them?  The goddess?  I mean did she abandon them considering she stopped things from happenning that caused the entire story of the game?

He's spewing crap, the datalog/analect never says where the God's go too.

You find "analects" in FFXIII which tell you of this.

The analects are like poems, I think you find this one in Oerba.

It says there were 3 gods:

Hallowed Pulse -- He created Gran Pulse

Lindzei -- He got jealous of Hallowed Pulse and decided to create Cocoon so he had his "own world"

Etro -- The Goddess that opens the door to "heaven or whatever" when a soul dies....so a Goddess of death

You can find other analects that describe following events:

- Lindzei hands over cocoon's safekeeping to BArthandelus and leaves Cocoon/Pulse

- Hallowed Pulse and Etro leave cocoon too and it is speculated "the maker" made them leave

That is all they say about God's, they never say where these god's go or why they go. Versus XIII or Agito XIII will probably answer these questions.

Now about the Goddess your talking about, yes aparently Etro saves Cocoon and some speculation suggests Etro can travel accross the Universe really quickly, though that is just speculation on the FF13 fan sites.

FFXIII's mythology was something that was done extremely well, its a pity too much of it was left in analects as many people won't even bother reading them.

Oh I know, that was my biggest problem with this game such a great story and mythology yet how did they write it?  Anyways that's for another thread.  But wasn't the maker the goddess?  Cause I could have sworn Barthandelus wanted to meet the goddess and if he wanted to meet the maker what good would it have done to kill everyone?  I mean wasnt whatever was left behind after the killings supposed to be for Etro?  I just got confused :S



Hmmmmmmm interesting~~~~~~

 

What is next? Goddess Altana, or Promathia from FFXI gonna make a surprise visit? :P



darkknightkryta said:
The Xbox Man said:
darkknightkryta said:
AkibaFan said:
darkknightkryta said:
AkibaFan said:
geddesmond2 said:

This game is sounding like the way FF13 should have been. They should have made this one FF13 and called FF13, FF13-2 like the spin off they did for FF10 because basicly those to games where lame as fuck and unworthy of being named FF. This is just my opinion. Sorry if I offended anyone who liked FF10-2 and FF13. Its all down to a persons taste and those games didn't do it for me.

they cudnt

ff13 is the base mythology for all ff13 games.ff versus xiii and agito xiii have l'cie, fal'cie and gods from ffxiii.

ff13 wud hve to release before versus xiii and agito xiii and gud it did, ffxiii is one ov my favrites.

Here's the thing though, they're not sharing Fal'cie between the Final Fantasy games, they were supposed to share some crystal thingy idea that was never realized in Final Fantasy XIII and to be perfectly frank I think they abandoned the idea of sharing the the mythology between the three games a while ago.  Now I'm talking out of my ass and just going off of memory from what I remember 5 years ago when the three games were announced, so anyone feel free to prove me wrong, hopefully with a link so I can see what they're thinking with the game's story.  Oh on another note I didn't read too much of the front page with the random articles so if it's there sorry.

no they are sharing fal'cie.

Fal'cie etro is in versus xiii.

if u read ff13 datalog u wud know that 3 god's abandoned ff13's world, etro is one ov them and etro has come to the ff versus xiii world.

ff agito xiii is showing war betwn fal'cie's according to recent articles for it. (th other gods came to th ff agito xiii world)

theories say th games are on different planets in th same solar system.


Like I said talking out of my ass :p.  But yeah which datalog was this?  Is it locked away until you do the missions cause I saw none of this.  And the 3 god's was the one that made the humans and Fal'Cie part of them?  The goddess?  I mean did she abandon them considering she stopped things from happenning that caused the entire story of the game?

He's spewing crap, the datalog/analect never says where the God's go too.

You find "analects" in FFXIII which tell you of this.

The analects are like poems, I think you find this one in Oerba.

It says there were 3 gods:

Hallowed Pulse -- He created Gran Pulse

Lindzei -- He got jealous of Hallowed Pulse and decided to create Cocoon so he had his "own world"

Etro -- The Goddess that opens the door to "heaven or whatever" when a soul dies....so a Goddess of death

You can find other analects that describe following events:

- Lindzei hands over cocoon's safekeeping to BArthandelus and leaves Cocoon/Pulse

- Hallowed Pulse and Etro leave cocoon too and it is speculated "the maker" made them leave

That is all they say about God's, they never say where these god's go or why they go. Versus XIII or Agito XIII will probably answer these questions.

Now about the Goddess your talking about, yes aparently Etro saves Cocoon and some speculation suggests Etro can travel accross the Universe really quickly, though that is just speculation on the FF13 fan sites.

FFXIII's mythology was something that was done extremely well, its a pity too much of it was left in analects as many people won't even bother reading them.

Oh I know, that was my biggest problem with this game such a great story and mythology yet how did they write it?  Anyways that's for another thread.  But wasn't the maker the goddess?  Cause I could have sworn Barthandelus wanted to meet the goddess and if he wanted to meet the maker what good would it have done to kill everyone?  I mean wasnt whatever was left behind after the killings supposed to be for Etro?  I just got confused :S

Agreed, the script writer for FFXIII should be shot. Anyway that is for another thread haha

The maker from what the game tells us is the highest authority, the being that made everyone else, possibly even the other gods (lindzei, etro, hallowed pulse).

The goddess that saves cocoon isn't actually directly mentioned as being a particular person. If you remember the events in the war of transgression, it was Vanille who couldn't pluck up the courage to join with Fang to become Ragnarok, as the analects are written on pulse they may be "biased" towards pulse society, so some people have theorized that the "goddess" thats mentioned isn't really a goddess but more a "metaphor" for a person who took pity on cocoon and saved them, apparently thats Vanille. But again thats all speculation from fans. A more realistic thing would be that the Goddess Etro simply saved Cocoon back then.

Barthandelus wanted to kill people so that the door of souls Etro has to open would be overwhelmed by souls of dead people going through and so that "door" would remain open, he thought this would bring the gods back, the maker back. It is slightly confusing, and no-one knows if he would have been successful. But he is similar to an infant trying to cause havoc to get his parents to come back, thats the meaning I got from his actions.

The game leaves questions unanswered, for example there is another analect that speaks about the Arc's that were built (the arc was the place that chapter 10 took place in). Apparently the Arc's were built long before Cocoon was made as a means to prepare for a "greater evil".......the game never expands upon this "greater evil". I never got all the analects I read about this one online, I believe you get it after finishing Mission 64.

I hope Agito XIII and Versus XIII will expand on this great mythology they have created and maybe tell us why the God's abandoned cocoon/pulse and what this "greater evil" is.



    
The Xbox Man said:
darkknightkryta said:
The Xbox Man said:
darkknightkryta said:
AkibaFan said:
darkknightkryta said:
AkibaFan said:
geddesmond2 said:

This game is sounding like the way FF13 should have been. They should have made this one FF13 and called FF13, FF13-2 like the spin off they did for FF10 because basicly those to games where lame as fuck and unworthy of being named FF. This is just my opinion. Sorry if I offended anyone who liked FF10-2 and FF13. Its all down to a persons taste and those games didn't do it for me.

they cudnt

ff13 is the base mythology for all ff13 games.ff versus xiii and agito xiii have l'cie, fal'cie and gods from ffxiii.

ff13 wud hve to release before versus xiii and agito xiii and gud it did, ffxiii is one ov my favrites.

Here's the thing though, they're not sharing Fal'cie between the Final Fantasy games, they were supposed to share some crystal thingy idea that was never realized in Final Fantasy XIII and to be perfectly frank I think they abandoned the idea of sharing the the mythology between the three games a while ago.  Now I'm talking out of my ass and just going off of memory from what I remember 5 years ago when the three games were announced, so anyone feel free to prove me wrong, hopefully with a link so I can see what they're thinking with the game's story.  Oh on another note I didn't read too much of the front page with the random articles so if it's there sorry.

no they are sharing fal'cie.

Fal'cie etro is in versus xiii.

if u read ff13 datalog u wud know that 3 god's abandoned ff13's world, etro is one ov them and etro has come to the ff versus xiii world.

ff agito xiii is showing war betwn fal'cie's according to recent articles for it. (th other gods came to th ff agito xiii world)

theories say th games are on different planets in th same solar system.


Like I said talking out of my ass :p.  But yeah which datalog was this?  Is it locked away until you do the missions cause I saw none of this.  And the 3 god's was the one that made the humans and Fal'Cie part of them?  The goddess?  I mean did she abandon them considering she stopped things from happenning that caused the entire story of the game?

He's spewing crap, the datalog/analect never says where the God's go too.

You find "analects" in FFXIII which tell you of this.

The analects are like poems, I think you find this one in Oerba.

It says there were 3 gods:

Hallowed Pulse -- He created Gran Pulse

Lindzei -- He got jealous of Hallowed Pulse and decided to create Cocoon so he had his "own world"

Etro -- The Goddess that opens the door to "heaven or whatever" when a soul dies....so a Goddess of death

You can find other analects that describe following events:

- Lindzei hands over cocoon's safekeeping to BArthandelus and leaves Cocoon/Pulse

- Hallowed Pulse and Etro leave cocoon too and it is speculated "the maker" made them leave

That is all they say about God's, they never say where these god's go or why they go. Versus XIII or Agito XIII will probably answer these questions.

Now about the Goddess your talking about, yes aparently Etro saves Cocoon and some speculation suggests Etro can travel accross the Universe really quickly, though that is just speculation on the FF13 fan sites.

FFXIII's mythology was something that was done extremely well, its a pity too much of it was left in analects as many people won't even bother reading them.

Oh I know, that was my biggest problem with this game such a great story and mythology yet how did they write it?  Anyways that's for another thread.  But wasn't the maker the goddess?  Cause I could have sworn Barthandelus wanted to meet the goddess and if he wanted to meet the maker what good would it have done to kill everyone?  I mean wasnt whatever was left behind after the killings supposed to be for Etro?  I just got confused :S

Agreed, the script writer for FFXIII should be shot. Anyway that is for another thread haha

The maker from what the game tells us is the highest authority, the being that made everyone else, possibly even the other gods (lindzei, etro, hallowed pulse).

The goddess that saves cocoon isn't actually directly mentioned as being a particular person. If you remember the events in the war of transgression, it was Vanille who couldn't pluck up the courage to join with Fang to become Ragnarok, as the analects are written on pulse they may be "biased" towards pulse society, so some people have theorized that the "goddess" thats mentioned isn't really a goddess but more a "metaphor" for a person who took pity on cocoon and saved them, apparently thats Vanille. But again thats all speculation from fans. A more realistic thing would be that the Goddess Etro simply saved Cocoon back then.

Barthandelus wanted to kill people so that the door of souls Etro has to open would be overwhelmed by souls of dead people going through and so that "door" would remain open, he thought this would bring the gods back, the maker back. It is slightly confusing, and no-one knows if he would have been successful. But he is similar to an infant trying to cause havoc to get his parents to come back, thats the meaning I got from his actions.

The game leaves questions unanswered, for example there is another analect that speaks about the Arc's that were built (the arc was the place that chapter 10 took place in). Apparently the Arc's were built long before Cocoon was made as a means to prepare for a "greater evil".......the game never expands upon this "greater evil". I never got all the analects I read about this one online, I believe you get it after finishing Mission 64.

I hope Agito XIII and Versus XIII will expand on this great mythology they have created and maybe tell us why the God's abandoned cocoon/pulse and what this "greater evil" is.

It's possible we'll never know, I always felt that chapter 10 was useless, it actually makes more sense for Barthandalus to get his monsters from Pulse itself since everything he used wasn't in the ark (Or still sleeping, still).  It'd be nice if we could see that cutting floor for the game; it's a bit barebones and I'm sure there's a bunch of story peices missing but let's hope they shoe horn a lot of the story into Agito and Versus.  On another note I couldn't help but notice you couldn't get into the second disc of Final Fantasy VIII, I say take the game a bit more light hearted; Squall grows and the side kicks are quite funny.  That game's world is pretty damn thick too; like they kinda did in Final Fantasy VIII with what they did in Final Fantasy XIII's Pulse.  Though like Final Fantasy XIII a lot of the history of the world is in the terms and gets unlocked as you play.  But I've noticed you either like that game or hate it, but anyways thanks for the info X-Box-Man



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I was mad I didn't get to fight that giant TItan monster in Final Fantasy XIII.



I just hate it when there's nothing left but waiting. I really want this game. I loved XIII and it seems this might be even better.



couldnt be bothered quoting the really massive box tbh, its massive as it is. i'm refferring to the darkknight kryta's last post. but yeah hopefully the mythology is actully relevant this time. and actully used in the game. for me, the reason i didnt think the script was good enough was because was because the mythology was too similar to what they did with the Ivalice in FF12, and that was done with more depth; Cocoon is no Ivalice, it all felt a bit too predictable. and it didnt help that the story felt like a really short story streched out uncesessaryily.

the reason questions are unanswered is because they want to save everything else for the Fabula Nova Crystalis series, which is meant to last 10 years. its stupid because they've forced us to wait 5 years for a pretty blande story imo.

most importantly, i sure as hell hope this time, there no rubbish focus 'we' have to complete 'because Serah says so'. hopefully there are better motives for are heros next time round. a little girl telling me to do something for nonsensical reasons is attrocious script writing.

oh and i've heard it might be a long wait for versus. personally i'm a bit dissapointed with the series atm. hopefully Hiroyuki Ito is secretly at work on something that will put Kitase's 6 hour long cutscenes to shame.