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MARCUSDJACKSON said:
thranx said:
TheRealMafoo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:


yea thats nice. remember republicans put us into this mess and Obama is doing nothing more then getting us out. 8 yr's of failure from the Republicans to catch the problem and now people want back in and miracles? you want them, the ones that spun the the words and created lies trying to manipulate the american public into believing for one that Obama's not a citizen of the country he was born in. they wouldn't have let him run if he wasn't. we all know the Govinator can't run so how would Obama slip through the cracks? 

are you kidding me? the world is already going to hell, and now people want the party that couldn't run the country when they had the power to drag us down again. simply unacceptable.

i will Reach really really far out and say that Micheal Steele head of the RNC is the ANTICHRIST and the Republicans are nothing more the HITLERS SPAWN.  

i'm actually scared of a group of people that want to be in control as much as Republicans do. when someone wants power that bad be prepared for the worse if Republicans get back in office. 

this is the sign of the end of days, 2012 is Armageddon the Apocalypse if Republicans get back in office.


Wow, come down. 

The Hitler spawn comment is funny, being Micheal Steele is black. Also, your talking to a Jew. I don't practice, but to Hitler, I doubt that would matter. I think I know Hitler Spawn when I see it.

Anyway, I can tell from the Obama mantra at the first part of your post, that your a die hard liberal, and you will vote fro Obama no matter what he does. Fine. There are a group of people who will vote for the republican candidate no matter who he is.

Neither of you are going to put a president in office, it's the other 30% who actually care what he is going to do, and how he is going to do it that will. Obama won these people over in 2008. Today almost none of them would vote for him, and I don't see what can change that.

He will not win.

ain't that the truth. Obama fanatics are just as bad as the Bush fanatics were.



i'm nobodies fanatic. i hate politics, and heres why we can't have a real discussion, cuase for some reason you have to be a fanatic because you have an opinion.

i'm sleeping on this thread so don't even bother quoting me!

We are not calling you these things because you have an opinion, we are calling them because you don't:

"remember republicans put us into this mess and Obama is doing nothing more then getting us out. 8 yr's of failure from the Republicans to catch the problem and now people want back in and miracles?"

When you say stuff like this, it looks like you watched an Obama speech or two, and believed everything you heard. Those are not your opinions, they are just the Democratic party talking points being spewed back at us.

I know of no one who has looked at the entire picture, and would say that line. It's just party politics.



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TheRealMafoo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
thranx said:
TheRealMafoo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:


yea thats nice. remember republicans put us into this mess and Obama is doing nothing more then getting us out. 8 yr's of failure from the Republicans to catch the problem and now people want back in and miracles? you want them, the ones that spun the the words and created lies trying to manipulate the american public into believing for one that Obama's not a citizen of the country he was born in. they wouldn't have let him run if he wasn't. we all know the Govinator can't run so how would Obama slip through the cracks? 

are you kidding me? the world is already going to hell, and now people want the party that couldn't run the country when they had the power to drag us down again. simply unacceptable.

i will Reach really really far out and say that Micheal Steele head of the RNC is the ANTICHRIST and the Republicans are nothing more the HITLERS SPAWN.  

i'm actually scared of a group of people that want to be in control as much as Republicans do. when someone wants power that bad be prepared for the worse if Republicans get back in office. 

this is the sign of the end of days, 2012 is Armageddon the Apocalypse if Republicans get back in office.


Wow, come down. 

The Hitler spawn comment is funny, being Micheal Steele is black. Also, your talking to a Jew. I don't practice, but to Hitler, I doubt that would matter. I think I know Hitler Spawn when I see it.

Anyway, I can tell from the Obama mantra at the first part of your post, that your a die hard liberal, and you will vote fro Obama no matter what he does. Fine. There are a group of people who will vote for the republican candidate no matter who he is.

Neither of you are going to put a president in office, it's the other 30% who actually care what he is going to do, and how he is going to do it that will. Obama won these people over in 2008. Today almost none of them would vote for him, and I don't see what can change that.

He will not win.

ain't that the truth. Obama fanatics are just as bad as the Bush fanatics were.



i'm nobodies fanatic. i hate politics, and heres why we can't have a real discussion, cuase for some reason you have to be a fanatic because you have an opinion.

i'm sleeping on this thread so don't even bother quoting me!

We are not calling you these things because you have an opinion, we are calling them because you don't:

"remember republicans put us into this mess and Obama is doing nothing more then getting us out. 8 yr's of failure from the Republicans to catch the problem and now people want back in and miracles?"

When you say stuff like this, it looks like you watched an Obama speech or two, and believed everything you heard. Those are not your opinions, they are just the Democratic party talking points being spewed back at us.

I know of no one who has looked at the entire picture, and would say that line. It's just party politics.



i don't watch the news for the rhetoric of politician's, and i hate speeches: i don't have the patients for them. i was alive during the 8 yr's of bush six yr's of Republican rule and the two yr's Dems. put in during the bush administation only to get no help from republicans before Obama got in office.

Republicans did'nt want to help or new what they where doing then and they don't know now, and now they want the Americans to fall for it again and give them power. it should scare people when someone wants power that bad, but it seems people are blinded by the mess that can't be cleaned up in two yr's and i'd be supried if it was cleaned up in 4, 8, or 20 yr's.

i'm an independent that want's a new party to step in and take over, and not the blasphemy of the tea party! there wrose then the other two combined?

P.S yall do want miracles and won't get them not matter who's in office. it would be no better if Republicans where incharge. no change at all! so where stuck with what we got. two corupted parties.



mhsillen said:
Tigerlure said:

I think he will. The reason his poll numbers are so low now is because people simply expected way too much from him at the beginning of his presidency. With all things considered, I think he's done an ok job, could be better, but he's still accomplished major things. By the time 2012 comes around, Unemployment will surely be lower by then, we'll be out of Iraq and hopefully doing something meaningful in Afghanistan or withdrawing from there.

Sorry but

The expectations are = what he promised

 

 


People expect him to turn the economy around in 2 years when we had 8 years of bad policies.



Tigerlure said:
mhsillen said:
Tigerlure said:

I think he will. The reason his poll numbers are so low now is because people simply expected way too much from him at the beginning of his presidency. With all things considered, I think he's done an ok job, could be better, but he's still accomplished major things. By the time 2012 comes around, Unemployment will surely be lower by then, we'll be out of Iraq and hopefully doing something meaningful in Afghanistan or withdrawing from there.

Sorry but

The expectations are = what he promised

 

 


People expect him to turn the economy around in 2 years when we had 8 years of bad policies.

That will still be his excuse in 2012, and after that should he win.



In the wilderness we go alone with our new knowledge and strength.

Tigerlure said:
mhsillen said:
Tigerlure said:

I think he will. The reason his poll numbers are so low now is because people simply expected way too much from him at the beginning of his presidency. With all things considered, I think he's done an ok job, could be better, but he's still accomplished major things. By the time 2012 comes around, Unemployment will surely be lower by then, we'll be out of Iraq and hopefully doing something meaningful in Afghanistan or withdrawing from there.

Sorry but

The expectations are = what he promised

 

 


People expect him to turn the economy around in 2 years when we had 8 years of bad policies.


OMG he did not promise he could clean this mess up in 2 yr's!



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MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Tigerlure said:
mhsillen said:
Tigerlure said:

I think he will. The reason his poll numbers are so low now is because people simply expected way too much from him at the beginning of his presidency. With all things considered, I think he's done an ok job, could be better, but he's still accomplished major things. By the time 2012 comes around, Unemployment will surely be lower by then, we'll be out of Iraq and hopefully doing something meaningful in Afghanistan or withdrawing from there.

Sorry but

The expectations are = what he promised

 

 


People expect him to turn the economy around in 2 years when we had 8 years of bad policies.


OMG he did not promise he could clean this mess up in 2 yr's!

He promised he would get out of Iraq. He didn't. He promised to close Gitmo... twice. He didn't. He said if we did the bailouts, unemployment would not go higher then 8.5%. It did. He said if we pass healthcare, it would cost the average american less money. The CBO has stated that health insurance will cost more with the new law, then it would have otherwise.

He said he would bring both parties together. Nope. He said he would control spending. Nope.

That's just 7 quick ones off the top of my head. I could come up with dozens more if I thought about it, but I will stop. Now, give me 7 great things he has done in the two years he has been in office, or at least 7 things he said he would do, that he did.



TheRealMafoo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Tigerlure said:
mhsillen said:
Tigerlure said:

I think he will. The reason his poll numbers are so low now is because people simply expected way too much from him at the beginning of his presidency. With all things considered, I think he's done an ok job, could be better, but he's still accomplished major things. By the time 2012 comes around, Unemployment will surely be lower by then, we'll be out of Iraq and hopefully doing something meaningful in Afghanistan or withdrawing from there.

Sorry but

The expectations are = what he promised

 

 


People expect him to turn the economy around in 2 years when we had 8 years of bad policies.


OMG he did not promise he could clean this mess up in 2 yr's!

He promised he would get out of Iraq. He didn't. He promised to close Gitmo... twice. He didn't. He said if we did the bailouts, unemployment would not go higher then 8.5%. It did. He said if we pass healthcare, it would cost the average american less money. The CBO has stated that health insurance will cost more with the new law, then it would have otherwise.

He said he would bring both parties together. Nope. He said he would control spending. Nope.

That's just 7 quick ones off the top of my head. I could come up with dozens more if I thought about it, but I will stop. Now, give me 7 great things he has done in the two years he has been in office, or at least 7 things he said he would do, that he did.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

 

Out of all his campaign promises he's only broken 20 and has kept 120 along with 38 compromises, 81 are "stalled' and 243 are in the works.  I think he's done a lot, the problem is he promised too much.  With 120 promises kept he has only really accomplished 1/5th of what he promised. (it totals to 505 campaign promises)



Baalzamon said:

Wow, I'm so sick and tired of hearing, "This is Bush's fault".  Please do explain how 1 president can be at fault for this.  The president has less control than congress does.  Congress was controlled by democrats during several years of Bush's presidency.  On top of this, can ANYBODY tell me when we started loaning out more money to everybody?  Oh yea!!!! it was in the early 1990's when the CLINTON era was telling banks they needed to start doing this.  No matter who was in office, whether it was Bush or Kerry, or ANYBODY, when it is going that frigging good, people would murder you if you do something to intentially slow it down because you claim it "isn't good" even though it truly wasn't.  No matter what he did, Bush would be an absolutely hated president, and yes, it all started in the early clinton era.  Sorry to disappoint you democrats here.

It is interesting how someone, in the same message, can say they are sick and tired of blaming Bush, and then also blame Clinton for something.  Bush had 8 years to fix what Clinton did wrong. 

Reread what you wrote above and explain this logic of how you can be sick of blaming Bush, but blame Clinton for the problems Bush faced.



He's just a figure head anyways. The patriots run this damn country! Don't you guys play Metal Gear?



TheRealMafoo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Tigerlure said:
mhsillen said:
Tigerlure said:

I think he will. The reason his poll numbers are so low now is because people simply expected way too much from him at the beginning of his presidency. With all things considered, I think he's done an ok job, could be better, but he's still accomplished major things. By the time 2012 comes around, Unemployment will surely be lower by then, we'll be out of Iraq and hopefully doing something meaningful in Afghanistan or withdrawing from there.

Sorry but

The expectations are = what he promised

 

 


People expect him to turn the economy around in 2 years when we had 8 years of bad policies.


OMG he did not promise he could clean this mess up in 2 yr's!

He promised he would get out of Iraq. He didn't. He promised to close Gitmo... twice. He didn't. He said if we did the bailouts, unemployment would not go higher then 8.5%. It did. He said if we pass healthcare, it would cost the average american less money. The CBO has stated that health insurance will cost more with the new law, then it would have otherwise.

He said he would bring both parties together. Nope. He said he would control spending. Nope.

That's just 7 quick ones off the top of my head. I could come up with dozens more if I thought about it, but I will stop. Now, give me 7 great things he has done in the two years he has been in office, or at least 7 things he said he would do, that he did.


war takes time. it's not just pull in pull out. aparently you don't understand strategy, but thats not something i'm going to argue about!

CBO? there playing it both ways. they say if this happens this happens and if that happens that happens. bad spin buddy. try something else. yes i watched CNNand they check with the CBO and Obama is on the mark by 52%. it's back and forth nothing solid the bill isn't perfect but at the lease we got something done.

well if the other side wants no part of bipartisanship even on the bills they help draft cause they want to play politic's then what you see is what you get. lets face it. nobody in washington wants to work together. and they dam sure don't want change. it's time to start over with our political system. 

you control spending and see if you get to work on time. fix  your car without spending and see if it can fix it's self. it will take spendding to fix this problem. the real problem is covering the cost of said spending. thats the only thing i agree with Republicans on. but thats not something i'd debate about.

i got a better idea. you give me more BS i can shoot down with my BS. call superman to save us. he's our only hope.

P.S. this is fun! my heads level now. i can do this without getting pissed off.