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postofficebuddy on 08 August 2010
Alby_da_Wolf said:
r3av3r2k1 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
r3av3r2k1 said:

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Another question, who still thinks wii will catch ps2 lifetime sales ?

I still think that if Nintendo wants, if it does what is needed to support its sales long enough, it can do it. It won't reach 50% anyway, and unless it receives enough big boosts, the sales it will reach will be lower than we previously thought. With last winter sales, sales supported to make them drop slower than it actually happend, and long enough lifecycle, 150-160M would have been easy, 180M would have required more effort, but not too hard, and 200M very hard but not impossible, now, if nothing changes enough and fast, 150M will be possible, but not easy, 180M very hard, more than that very, very, very hard.

I don't think wii can reach ps2 anymore because there's little Nintendo can do now to spur sales again, its only wild card left is the vitality sensor, and that i think, will probably be an idea that is only going to be fully implemented with wii´s successor

And that, is going to be wii´s biggest treat in the years to follow, its successor, because there  wont be a relation similar to PS2 and PS3 were one is way overpriced for the general public and the other is affordable, since that has never been Nintendo´s way of doing business, the wii successor will almost certainly be quite afordablee from the get go, thus nulifiing one of the major advantages wii would have over its younger brother. And with a new console out, Nintendo will focus all its efforts to make sure it has great games from the get go, and that way abandoning support for the Wii , and with no Nintendo games, and no 3party support wii will go down hill really fast

Nintendo has less big moves left, true, and I agree that Vitality could be disappointing, but with at least two price cuts available, possibly bundling Balance Board too during the last years, and an even modest boost given by VS, a 8 years lifecycle, with its last 2 years after Wii2 release (most likely to happen in 2012 according to many), is possible, if only Nintendo wants it. Do your maths, with 4 more years after next Xmas 150M is within Wii's reach. Easily, though, doesn't mean without doing anything, sales numbers won't fall from sky without Nintendo doing anything, easily means that to reach this goal Nintendo has moves available but it must be willing to play them. For sales even higher, though, a total commitment and the hardest work by Nintendo would be needed, and here applies what you say, so I agree with you that having to concentrate its efforts on the new HW, better results than 150-160M would be from very hard to nearly impossible. 


There's no way they're going to bundle Wii Fit unless they hiked the price back to $250. They would be losing money hand over fist. They're probably barely making a margin at all currently with WSR and Motion Plus bundled in.



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thx1139 on 08 August 2010
z101 said:

A little uplift for Sony and MS

Next holidays the Wii sales will be far above PS3 Xbox360.

 

The Wii even didn't have a significant price cut.

In the last year the Wii had a 20% price cut and they have added what was one of thier best sellers to the bundle along with additional hardware.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

Alby_da_Wolf on 08 August 2010
postofficebuddy said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
r3av3r2k1 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
r3av3r2k1 said:

[...]

Another question, who still thinks wii will catch ps2 lifetime sales ?

I still think that if Nintendo wants, if it does what is needed to support its sales long enough, it can do it. It won't reach 50% anyway, and unless it receives enough big boosts, the sales it will reach will be lower than we previously thought. With last winter sales, sales supported to make them drop slower than it actually happend, and long enough lifecycle, 150-160M would have been easy, 180M would have required more effort, but not too hard, and 200M very hard but not impossible, now, if nothing changes enough and fast, 150M will be possible, but not easy, 180M very hard, more than that very, very, very hard.

I don't think wii can reach ps2 anymore because there's little Nintendo can do now to spur sales again, its only wild card left is the vitality sensor, and that i think, will probably be an idea that is only going to be fully implemented with wii´s successor

And that, is going to be wii´s biggest treat in the years to follow, its successor, because there  wont be a relation similar to PS2 and PS3 were one is way overpriced for the general public and the other is affordable, since that has never been Nintendo´s way of doing business, the wii successor will almost certainly be quite afordablee from the get go, thus nulifiing one of the major advantages wii would have over its younger brother. And with a new console out, Nintendo will focus all its efforts to make sure it has great games from the get go, and that way abandoning support for the Wii , and with no Nintendo games, and no 3party support wii will go down hill really fast

Nintendo has less big moves left, true, and I agree that Vitality could be disappointing, but with at least two price cuts available, possibly bundling Balance Board too during the last years, and an even modest boost given by VS, a 8 years lifecycle, with its last 2 years after Wii2 release (most likely to happen in 2012 according to many), is possible, if only Nintendo wants it. Do your maths, with 4 more years after next Xmas 150M is within Wii's reach. Easily, though, doesn't mean without doing anything, sales numbers won't fall from sky without Nintendo doing anything, easily means that to reach this goal Nintendo has moves available but it must be willing to play them. For sales even higher, though, a total commitment and the hardest work by Nintendo would be needed, and here applies what you say, so I agree with you that having to concentrate its efforts on the new HW, better results than 150-160M would be from very hard to nearly impossible. 


There's no way they're going to bundle Wii Fit unless they hiked the price back to $250. They would be losing money hand over fist. They're probably barely making a margin at all currently with WSR and Motion Plus bundled in.

Yes, doing it now would require an overprice, but BB still sells well enough alone, so for now they should play other moves, WiiFit and BB bundling, if ever, should happen later in Wii's life, it should be one of the latest moves to keep it alive, although the very last should be the cut to $99 or less, to make it viable as entry level long enough after Wii2 launch.

For this Autumn and Xmas the possible and most likely moves are VS, big games, a price cut, case colours, etc.



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Buzzi on 08 August 2010
Alby_da_Wolf said:
r3av3r2k1 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
r3av3r2k1 said:

[...]

Another question, who still thinks wii will catch ps2 lifetime sales ?

I still think that if Nintendo wants, if it does what is needed to support its sales long enough, it can do it. It won't reach 50% anyway, and unless it receives enough big boosts, the sales it will reach will be lower than we previously thought. With last winter sales, sales supported to make them drop slower than it actually happend, and long enough lifecycle, 150-160M would have been easy, 180M would have required more effort, but not too hard, and 200M very hard but not impossible, now, if nothing changes enough and fast, 150M will be possible, but not easy, 180M very hard, more than that very, very, very hard.

I don't think wii can reach ps2 anymore because there's little Nintendo can do now to spur sales again, its only wild card left is the vitality sensor, and that i think, will probably be an idea that is only going to be fully implemented with wii´s successor

And that, is going to be wii´s biggest treat in the years to follow, its successor, because there  wont be a relation similar to PS2 and PS3 were one is way overpriced for the general public and the other is affordable, since that has never been Nintendo´s way of doing business, the wii successor will almost certainly be quite afordablee from the get go, thus nulifiing one of the major advantages wii would have over its younger brother. And with a new console out, Nintendo will focus all its efforts to make sure it has great games from the get go, and that way abandoning support for the Wii , and with no Nintendo games, and no 3party support wii will go down hill really fast

Nintendo has less big moves left, true, and I agree that Vitality could be disappointing, but with at least two price cuts available, possibly bundling Balance Board too during the last years, and an even modest boost given by VS, a 8 years lifecycle, with its last 2 years after Wii2 release (most likely to happen in 2012 according to many), is possible, if only Nintendo wants it. Do your maths, with 4 more years after next Xmas 150M is within Wii's reach. Easily, though, doesn't mean without doing anything, sales numbers won't fall from sky without Nintendo doing anything, easily means that to reach this goal Nintendo has moves available but it must be willing to play them. For sales even higher, though, a total commitment and the hardest work by Nintendo would be needed, and here applies what you say, so I agree with you that having to concentrate its efforts on the new HW, better results than 150-160M would be from very hard to nearly impossible. 

I think Nintendo don't want a new gen next year really. They could just cut the price, make many bundles and push the Wii to record sales if they want (with losses maybe) and to pass PS2 LTD sales in 3 years...but that would mean new gen at end of 2011, because really, you can't continue with that kind of sales; instead they are taking the situation way too slowly, they'll probably cut the price once a year and make some bundles/colours until E3 2012 when they'll show Wii 2. While this could work to maximize Wii Software sales and to make a better console, they'll help Sony recovering its losses and MS in enstablishing Natal for all gamers.

Personally if I was Iwata I would show something about Wii 2 at E3 2011 and then, looking at the reaction, decide when to launch the new console...they could just show it as something about the current console, the Wiimote was firstly designed for the GC after all.



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r3av3r2k1 on 08 August 2010

Pricing below 150 has never been a sign of life for any console, even ps2 when it reached 99 sales spiked for a month or 2 and then slowed down dramatically, but ps2 was still getting new releases even after sony abandoned it, and again, that's the main factor against the wii for having a lifespan of 8 years. as things are right now wii is slowing down at around 15 to 20% yearly and once it starts  it has a tendency to speed up,especially if there is competition from other products, its still early to predict what will happen after the holiday season, but when the HD twins get another price cut, it will affect wii sales allot more then they are affecting right now at there current prices.



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FlyingLotus on 08 August 2010

Nicely done 360 and ps3



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its been confirmed today that GT5 has a weather system, track editor and go karts! seriously i think this is going to be the best selling in the series even beating GT3 sales of 14 million plus!

huaxiong90 on 08 August 2010

Man, some people here are really getting overdefensive. But this isn't the first time.

In any case, this is the first time Wii gets outsold by both consoles, but it is a slow period, alas. Once a big exclusive(s) arrives it should be able to pick up.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 08 August 2010
Buzzi said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
r3av3r2k1 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
r3av3r2k1 said:

[...]

Another question, who still thinks wii will catch ps2 lifetime sales ?

I still think that if Nintendo wants, if it does what is needed to support its sales long enough, it can do it. It won't reach 50% anyway, and unless it receives enough big boosts, the sales it will reach will be lower than we previously thought. With last winter sales, sales supported to make them drop slower than it actually happend, and long enough lifecycle, 150-160M would have been easy, 180M would have required more effort, but not too hard, and 200M very hard but not impossible, now, if nothing changes enough and fast, 150M will be possible, but not easy, 180M very hard, more than that very, very, very hard.

I don't think wii can reach ps2 anymore because there's little Nintendo can do now to spur sales again, its only wild card left is the vitality sensor, and that i think, will probably be an idea that is only going to be fully implemented with wii´s successor

And that, is going to be wii´s biggest treat in the years to follow, its successor, because there  wont be a relation similar to PS2 and PS3 were one is way overpriced for the general public and the other is affordable, since that has never been Nintendo´s way of doing business, the wii successor will almost certainly be quite afordablee from the get go, thus nulifiing one of the major advantages wii would have over its younger brother. And with a new console out, Nintendo will focus all its efforts to make sure it has great games from the get go, and that way abandoning support for the Wii , and with no Nintendo games, and no 3party support wii will go down hill really fast

Nintendo has less big moves left, true, and I agree that Vitality could be disappointing, but with at least two price cuts available, possibly bundling Balance Board too during the last years, and an even modest boost given by VS, a 8 years lifecycle, with its last 2 years after Wii2 release (most likely to happen in 2012 according to many), is possible, if only Nintendo wants it. Do your maths, with 4 more years after next Xmas 150M is within Wii's reach. Easily, though, doesn't mean without doing anything, sales numbers won't fall from sky without Nintendo doing anything, easily means that to reach this goal Nintendo has moves available but it must be willing to play them. For sales even higher, though, a total commitment and the hardest work by Nintendo would be needed, and here applies what you say, so I agree with you that having to concentrate its efforts on the new HW, better results than 150-160M would be from very hard to nearly impossible. 

I think Nintendo don't want a new gen next year really. They could just cut the price, make many bundles and push the Wii to record sales if they want (with losses maybe) and to pass PS2 LTD sales in 3 years...but that would mean new gen at end of 2011, because really, you can't continue with that kind of sales; instead they are taking the situation way too slowly, they'll probably cut the price once a year and make some bundles/colours until E3 2012 when they'll show Wii 2. While this could work to maximize Wii Software sales and to make a better console, they'll help Sony recovering its losses and MS in enstablishing Natal for all gamers.

Personally if I was Iwata I would show something about Wii 2 at E3 2011 and then, looking at the reaction, decide when to launch the new console...they could just show it as something about the current console, the Wiimote was firstly designed for the GC after all.

Yes, but thinking to damage competitors even at the expense of its own profit is the worst part of MS philosophy, not really Nintendo style: with at least two price cuts left they can give at least two more Xmases to Wii as main console, Xmas 2010 and Xmas 2011, add all the other moves available and they have enough to maximize HW and SW sales and launch Wii2 during Q3 2012 without rushing it. And all the moves you suggest are sensible too IMVHO, just I see the situation a little bit worrying, but less than most think. Just think about this: it's quite unlikely that Nintendo execs suddenly became all idiots, up until now they planned things quite well (except some shortages in the past), so if they are delaying their moves so much now, maybe they are just willing to sacrifice Summer sales, that would be normally lower than yearly average anyway, for a longer strategy's sake. Don't forget too that if they show they support their console for a long time, 3rd parties that this gen tended to snub Wii, next gen will have one more good reason to support Nintendo better. BTW Sony survived to much more serious troubles, Nintendo must really show it can handle smaller troubles without any big problems, otherwise its credibility will take a nasty blow.



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Reach on 08 August 2010

Cant believe Wii is so low... Also never thought 360 could be above Wii so many weeks... Unbeliavable... And 360s Arcade wasnt even launched. Cant wait for next week... 360 Should see a smal 20-30k boost in NA with the Arcade at 199$$. Ps3 should drop in Japan to 20-30 Range and stay the same in Americas and others... Wii should stay the same as this week.



Toastrules on 08 August 2010

Hm.... Ps3 and Wii are pretty close. i'm surprised Xbox is leading by such a margin.

Meh, once the slim thing wears off, it'll slow to a jog just like the Ps3



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